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Click, no boom, how long do you need to wait??

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Acera, Dec 24, 2008.

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  1. Acera

    Acera Member

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    Ok, I am firing some military surplus rounds out of my BOHICA upper and had one not fire. It fired on the second hammer strike.

    My question for the experts how long does it take for a typical hang fire (if there is such a thing) to fire? I waited for a couple of minutes before I re-cocked the hammer, while keeping the round in battery. I am not looking forward to having the round discharge while I am rotating the upper and lower apart to re-cock the hammer, probably would be a bad thing:uhoh:

    I do have an extra power hammer spring to help eliminate this issue. May have to get a heaver hammer if problem persists.

    Thanks, and Merry Christmas:)
     
  2. ArmedBear

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    A couple of minutes is not too much.

    It probably won't discharge after 10 seconds, but why take any chances?

    At a range where I was on the board, we had a regular shotgun shooter and long, longtime member who was the local go-to guy to have your shotshell reloader tuned or repaired.

    I'm not a fan of progressive shotshell reloaders, and he and I did disagree about some things regarding reloading, but he was far from incompetent.

    He pulled the trigger, nothing happened. He waited a few seconds, and pointed the gun down in order to break it open and put in a new round. It went off, narrowly missing his foot, and spraying shot and concrete bits on the guy next to him. They were injured, fortunately not severely, but he could have lost his foot.

    Patience is a virtue.
     
  3. JImbothefiveth

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    At an absolute minimum 30 seconds.(Does not apply to self-defense situations). Waiting more is probably safer, and with military surplus ammo, you might want to change the minimum form 30 to 45 or even 60.
     
  4. briansmithwins

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    Waiting? I always run the bolt immediately (while maintaining muzzle control) when I get a dud. Yet another reason I wear eye protection.

    BSW
     
  5. James T Thomas

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    safe not sorry

    My recent S&W manual; reviewed by Corporate Lawyers, recommends ten seconds for revolver "misfires." Oh yea, and then, safely disposing of the live round.

    If your firearm is particulary hot, as from intensive shooting, I would wait longer than ten seconds though.

    At the range and with others around, it would be considerate to openly announce "Misfire," loud and clear.
     
  6. Acera

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    briansmithwins wrote:
    Probably not a good idea with the 50BMG, I think it would cause a little more damage than a typical 5.56 if it goes off not contained by a chamber and barrel.


    Thanks guys, I wait at least one minute probably more. So I should be good with at least 60 seconds.
     
  7. WardenWolf

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    Depends on the round type. Most won't go off after 10 seconds, although there's always exceptions. The round should always be kept pointed downrange, though. Shotgun shells, in particular, need to be left in the gun until you're sure they're safe. These rounds can cause extreme damage with little or no barrel due to the husk forming a guide.

    Be particularly wary of any WWII surplus .45 ammo you might happen to dig up. This particular ammo did not age well and tended to have extended hangfires.

    In your case, you did not get a hangfire, just a primer that was too tough for your hammer spring. If it doesn't happen again, I wouldn't worry about it. If it does, install a better spring or a heavier hammer.
     
  8. sbarkowski

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    Thats covered in our firearms licencing course and is a rule at all ranges here. 60 seconds, holding downrange after calling a missfire. Regardless of caliber.

    edit: At the range the rounds are then dropped into a can of penetrating oil located every other bench. When out in the field the round should be burried in the dirt.
     
  9. ArmedBear

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    Most ranges that have such a rule do seem to have a 1-minute rule. I think I remember one that was 2 minutes.

    The point is, waiting "too long" never got anyone hurt.
     
  10. Dean Williams

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    In my experience a hang fire usually happens in less than about three seconds from pulling the trigger. Doesn't mean it cannot happen a minute later, I guess.

    I had an '09 Argentine that was a good shooter. Norma ammo was the only stuff available for it at the time from any commercial manufacturer, and it was pretty spendy. I came across a bunch of surplus 7.65 ammo, and first time firing it got a hang fire after just a few rounds. That stuff went off with a delay of about a second. Just the amount of time it took from pulling the trigger to full realization of what had not happened, then... Bang! A second, maybe. I disposed of that old surplus stuff.

    I've seen a few in other rifles where the shooter had just removed the firearm from his shoulder and... Boom! So, maybe two to three seconds.

    I'd still give it a minute before opening the bolt, breech, slide, whatever.
     
  11. heron

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    The owner's manuals for all my guns say to wait half a minute, but I give it longer. No point in being hasty about that.
     
  12. Bartkowski

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    I usually give it 5-10 seconds and then fire it again. I know this might make go against what some people said, but oh well. Maybe I will give it more time in the future...
     
  13. North of 49th

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    I would defiantly wait at least 45 if not 60 sec. In this case it is always a good thing to take a bit more time and not have yourself or someone else injured.
     
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    If you can re-cock the hammer/striker w/o taking the bolt out of battery (like the SMLE or NEF's), I'd recock & pull the trigger immediately. Otherwise, wait for at least 60 seconds before unchambering the round....
     
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    the protocol at my local range is count to 60 then dispose of the dud in a steel "safety" tube
     
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    2 minutes on my Military Surplus firearms. 2-5 minutes on Blackpowder. I'm not in a rush. Cool down time gives the gun a break anyway.
     
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    I have never had a hangfire/misfire. My plan has always been to keep the firearm pointed safely downrange for at least one minute.
     
  18. IndianaBoy

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    You definitely do not want to open up an AR-15 to recock the hammer if you think you might have a hangfire.

    99% of the time it will be a hard primer. If it is a hangfire, and it goes while you have the rifle apart, the bolt carrier is going to fly out violently when the bolt unlocks.

    It is not worth it to save one round. Eject the round and maybe try it again later.
     
  19. orionengnr

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    If it doesn't go off, I immediately take a looooong, hard look down the barrel, from the muzzle end. Jevver notice that staring at something long and hard enough, you can almost always figure it out? :evil:

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  20. EHCRain10

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    good one orionengnr
    ive never had a hangfire but id want to wait at least 2 or 3 mins just to be safe
     
  21. paintballdude902

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    i do the 30 secs
     
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    I think longer is better, but I was taught to wait 30 seconds when I took rifle merit badge a while back at scout camp. I've had duds before that I wait probably 20-30 seconds on. They have all 22lr so if they are just sitting there after I eject and they go off it's not going to do more than some nasty bruises.
     
  23. BernieD

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    I've never actually had a hang fire. Usually if I misfire I keep the muzzle pointed in a safe direction while I mull over all the possibilities that may have happened. By the time I get to hang fire, its usually been 30-60 seconds, I dump the round. Then I make sure the round is in a safe position (buried, in a safe tube, etc.) and keep shooting.
     
  24. Grizfire

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    I had a guy on my trap team always get misfires and he would always wait 20-30 seconds.

    One day, the gun actually went off! Happened in about 3 seconds from when he pulled the trigger.
     
  25. moooose102

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    for me, it is one minute. if it hasnt gone off by then, i really doubt it is going to. as for ejecting the round immedeately, son, you are looking for a heap of trouble! and i certainly dont want to be near you when you pull that little trick!
     
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