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Click to Recall Joaquin Jackson!!

Discussion in 'Activism' started by Jeff82, Sep 18, 2007.

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  1. Jeff82

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    NRA Voting Members, Call To Action!!

    Here it is: Petition to Recall Joaquin Jackson

    This is a hot link so you click it and it should download to your computer. It's a Word doc.

    You'll get the first page which is the petition and two follow on pages with additional info as to why I'm doing this. (If you've followed this thread on GT then you already know. )

    Feel free to post this link in other places. Be sure you "copy shortcut" to get megaupload address!

    If there are any problems with the link PM me so I can contact the file storage site.

    Get this around to gun shows, clubs, ranges etc. We need to act fairly quickly as this needs to get in in time to make the print deadline for the next annual meeting. We've got about two months.

    Remember, we need 450 total, with a minimum of 100 from three states to qualify.

    Can we make this a sticky for the next two months or so? Thanks.

    Now also available right here in pdf thanks to Stevemis!!
     

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  2. Jeff82

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    488 dl's* and counting! Keep it rolling!

    *as of edited time below

    Petitions received (had to send one back to TX as it was missing info)
    Florida - 1
    Georgia - 1
    Illinois - 1
    Virginia - 2
     
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  3. dogrunner

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    May I suggest you post this on the FloridaShootersnetwork.com.....you ought to pick up a bunch of signatures there as I've seen plenty of commentary just after the issue became public knowledge.
     
  4. Jeff82

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    You got it! Just signed up and am waiting to be validated.

    eta: (can't edit the one above anymore)

    505 dl's* and counting! Keep it rolling!

    *as of edited time below

    Petitions received (had to send one back to TX as it was missing info)
    Florida - 1
    Georgia - 1
    Illinois - 1
    Virginia - 2
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  5. damien

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    What, I am supposed to download a .DOC by a 5 time poster? I don't think so. What is this all about?
     
  6. Jeff82

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    I understand your concern. If it makes you feel any better go to

    http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=758385

    and check it out there. I spent most of my "posting" life on GlockTalk and you can see more of "me" there. Also another fella has downloaded it and reported back that it was virus free and then gives details of his current AV software.

    To see more about me you can go to www.myspace.com/jeffr82 (largely put together by my wife).

    Search my nic "Jeff82" on GT and you'll see all kinds of stuff I've posted over the years. Including some of my trip to Iraq pics!

    Also check out

    http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=750091&perpage=25&highlight=&pagenumber=5

    Page five of the thread and see my comments on that page. It'll bring you up to speed on what this is all about.

    Stay safe,

    Jeff
     
  7. lamazza

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    I'm not a five year guy, but I hope you get him ousted.
     
  8. stevemis

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    Here's a PDF of it...

    For those of you who don't have Word or don't like downloading and opening Word documents... I've made a PDF. It's attached.

    Steve
     

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  9. MaterDei

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    I'll complete mine today. Thanks for taking the time to do this Jeff.
     
  10. Jeff82

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    Great work Stevemis! I'll go back and try to put this on the other forums I've got this on.

    Thanks MaterDei! Glad to have you on board.

    514 dl's* and counting! Keep it rolling!

    *as of edited time below

    Petitions received (had to send one back to TX as it was missing info)
    Florida - 1
    Georgia - 1
    Illinois - 1
    Virginia - 2
     
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  11. Creature

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    You should be seeing my signed petition in your mailbox in short order...
     
  12. TexasRifleman

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    Sent mine out last night.

    So at this point does it appear there will be enough to remove Zumbo II here?
     
  13. ClarkEMyers

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    Disagree in no uncertain terms. Further I don't think this is the High Road Approach - YMMV.

    Clark E Myers
    Patron Member and I have no illusions the NRA is perfect - I was at Cincinnati and a few other fights from time to time.
     
  14. WSM MAGNUM

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    What good will this petition do now. He can`t be fired from the board. The best thing to do is vote him out when the next Board election comes up.
     
  15. 30 cal slob

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    At the very least, send a message, loud and clear.
     
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    Very true, but the NRA has already caught a lot of flack over this. I read an article from Gun Law News about this. Here it is.

    In politics, it is all about perception. And this is politics.

    When speaking as an individual, you are free to speak as you wish. But, when you start an interview flaunting your status as a member of the NRA Board of Directors, you have a responsibility to choose your words carefully and represent your constituents.

    There are 79 members on the Board of Directors. That means that each one has very little power, if any. It also means that the NRA has a difficult job controlling what they say. But, they have a responsibility to not stab the organization in the back.


    The board is elected by the membership. BoD members can not be fired. But, the membership should be able to hold a recall vote.


    Joaquin Jackson is a former Texas Ranger and has published a biography. His resume and style all give him substantial credibility in the media.

    Jackson advocated magazine limits for assault weapons. He did not define 'assault weapons'. His advocacy of magazine limits for assault weapons is in direct opposition to the NRA's stated position and the belief of gun owners across the country. It also plays right into the hands of gun control groups.

    The bottom line is that Joaquin Jackson either meant what was on tape, did not communicate clearly or was a victim of editing.

    If Jackson meant what was on tape, he does not support the NRA's position and should not be reelected to the NRA Board of Directors.
    If Jackson communicated poorly, he has no business putting himself front and center as a spokesman for the NRA.

    If Jackson is just a victim of editing, his rebuttal is two years late in coming. He and the NRA should have addressed this issue as soon as it appeared.

    Do I buy Jackson's explanation? It does not matter. Joaquin's actions have weakened the power of the NRA. His membership on the BoD should come to an end.


    Should the gun owning public shun the NRA for the ill advised words of one member of the BoD? Absolutely not. The NRA is the most effective gun rights advocacy group in Washington.

    Finally, any gun rights organization that attacks the entire NRA for the actions of one member of the board should be looked at very skeptically. This fight should not be within the movement. It should be with those that would infringe on our rights.
     
  17. 30 cal slob

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    whatever. i'm sending in my letter shortly, feel free to do what your conscience dictates.
     
  18. dogrunner

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    Jeff82:...................mine's on the way but I still have not seen your post on FSN...........

    And for those of you that have reservations, the post is legit, and Joaquin damned sure NEEDS jacked up.

    I'm also retrd LEO/CLEO, I wrote my objections to the matter and I REMAIN unsatisfied with the reply that Jackson allegedly wrote. Personally, after hearing his commentary I am convinced that someone else did that for him, he's simply not that literate.

    The recall is a good idea and ought to be pushed. This is precisely the sort of thinking that got us, the NRA, into the mess surrounding the Whittington Center when that bunch of cowards on the board at the time tried to turn the NRA into a "sporting" advocacy group..................Screw Jackson!
     
  19. benEzra

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    Could somebody elaborate on this? It was apparently slightly before my time.
     
  20. Jeff82

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    WSM Magnum: Yes something can be done. He can be recalled this spring. Or you can choose to wait until 2010 to vote him out at the end of his term. Your choice. Also the article is wrong on the number of directors. There are 76. 25 are elected each year for three year terms and you've got to be a Life or 5+ year member to vote for them. The 76th director is elected for a 1 year term and the entire membership can vote for that director.

    dogrunner: was waiting for validation notice but didn't get one. Went there to check after reading your last and was able to post!! :)

    To All: I've got quite a bit more typed out on GlockTalk. If you need more information (convincing) read the thread (still just one page) at http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?postid=8956343#post8956343

    523 dl's as of edited time.

    Petitions received (had to send one back to TX as it was missing info)
    California - 1
    Florida - 1
    Georgia - 1
    Illinois - 1
    North Dakota - 1
    Virginia - 2
     
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  21. ClarkEMyers

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    Could somebody elaborate on this? It was apparently slightly before my time.

    In my view the best coverage was in Gun Week both in the run up and after the fact. Much of the Gun Week ownership and staff was also active at the meeting. Neal Knox in the Wolfe publications also did a fine job before, during and after. Bob Kukla, Les Fields, Jim Valentino and others from Illinois were especially active. Top Topmiller was also active in the NRA during this period. Harlon Carter had just retired and was to some extent above the fray. Carter of course came back in a unity movement. Max(well) Rich was the man voted out of the job currently occupied by Wayne LaPierre.

    Bob Kukla pretty much opened the argument - which had been long anticipated and prepared for by most of the membership at the meeting - with some tape recordings which stirred up a hornets nest.

    Some of the contemporary discussion by Neal Knox can be found in the Handloader all issue full text DVD available from Wolfe Publications (notice that's the name not the ownership a d/b/a both Dave Wolfe and Neal Knox have left the range) I don't know about backissues of Gun Week and of course the NYT is available in libraries and on the web.

    Sadly in later years insiders who had themselves perhaps benefitted from a member's revolt made it harder for members to revolt - in particular at an annual meeting in Seattle some years later.

    It seems to be an iron law of bureaucracy that any organization will eventually be operated by people who seek to further the bureaucracy rather than the professed goals of the organization and further that people who seek to further the bureaucracy will write the rules of the organization. (hat tip Dr. Pournelle's Iron Law of Bureaucracy) - Hence Jefferson's far sighted remark on the need for repeated revolution. I'd say the NRA should be shaken up however I also hasten to note that I understand and believe Ranger Jackson was speaking of a 5 shot plug on a hunting rifle much like a 3 shot plug on a shotgun - that there is much that ought to be done with respect to the NRA and nothing that need be done with respect to Ranger Jackson regardless of how the interview was done and how the tape was mixed.
     
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    Clark, you really need to do a review of the video of Jackson at that interview.....there is utterly no doubt that he's referring to the "black rifle" issue, not plugged shotguns!.....He says as much.


    Pretty good synopsis of the revolt, and the followup fallout.....Knox, in my view was one of the outstanding heros of that time and sure got short shrift treatment tho. I also fear that you are right on when you state that in the end bureaucracys really do evolve to the point that their ultimate goal is their own survival....sad, but true.

    The thing that really smokes me re: brother Jackson is precisely his fall back on his credentials for legitimizing his stance.....especially when he sits on that board as a supposed representative of us all. I wrote a personal note and even included my home px and add. with zero reply.....And I'm one of the Chiefs that did the Newsweek national ads for the NRA advocating FOPA in 86'.............I took heat for that to the point that I even got editorialized against by name in the N.Y. Times, but I was damned proud to do it.........What Jackson has done is ride a political self serving horse to all our detriment...........and I am SURE he receives a substantial remuneration for his board position......I say try the recall!
     
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    In the mail today. I read and saw what Jackson said. We do not need people like him "fighting" for our rights.
     
  24. Jeff82

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    Right now I'm at 451 downloads from the megaupload site. Yesterday I finished adding a provided (thanks stevemis!) pdf copy to the sites that would allow it. I don't know how many of those dl's have occurred. I'm hoping that many of these are being copied and distributed at gun stores, ranges, clubs and among friends. I hope others are copying the links and putting them in places I'm unaware of.

    So, as of right now I don't think we've got enough. I'd be surprised if 100% of the signators are accepted. Hopefully though it will only be 1-3% (4-13 people based on 451 total) that are invalidated for whatever reason.

    I think the 450 part will be easy. The hard part is getting 100 from three different states.

    I've not yet received any petitions yet but when I do I'll start adding the count by state. Where we are strong we could get members of state organizations to post at their level.

    Remember fans, this is the proper procedural process for the NRA to clean it's own house. If the petition succeeds it merely means that the entire voting membership will get the opportunity to be heard, by their vote, on the issue. Mr. Jackson and I will have the opportunity to write a (up to) 500 word essay that will be included with the special ballot. (and I thought I'd never have to do that in the"real world"! ha!)

    I hope you all have checked out the dialogs on GT concerning this. (links above)
     
  25. TexasRifleman

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    Yeah I have been reading the thread on GT.

    The part that gets me most is that because these comments were made a good while back people are willing to overlook it.

    Just because this guy hasn't said anything since then doesn't mean his core beliefs have changed. If they had you'd think he would be out evangelizing that fact.

    I had never heard of Mr Jackson before this, and I have never heard of Jeff here either until this thing came up.

    Is Mr Jackson aware of a storm building against him?
     
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