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CMP Garand: waited too late

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Elkins45, Jul 5, 2016.

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  1. Elkins45

    Elkins45 Member

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    I finally got around to joining a CMP affiliated organization and before I mailed in my order they have sold out of almost everything except for the really expensive oddities.

    Figures. Wonder if they will ever get any more?
     
  2. wally

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    With Obama, and Hillary on the horizon, IMHO it'd be a miracle. But hope springs eternal!

    Those expensive "oddities" could be a worthwhile "investment".

    I know my DCM (pre-CMP reboot) M1D has done much better than inflation (and most of my 401K) based on what I paid vs. what they go for on Gun Broker and an on-line inflation calculator.
     
  3. Jeff H

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    No idea of what the stock status of the Garand is. you can check the CMP forums, they are fairly knowledgeable about what is going on.

    There is only a finite amount of those old Garands around. The carbines sold out years ago. For now, at least they will have some 1911s coming up for sale to keep the CMP going for a wile longer.
     
  4. 30Cal

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    Get on the list. Who knows what they'll put together.
     
  5. cfullgraf

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    Posts #28, #29, and #30 of the attached thread from the CMP forum give a hint of hope that there may still be some M1's coming up for sale.

    http://forums.thecmp.org/showthread.php?t=190378&page=3

    If they do, do not wait a minute to get an order in.

    The posts also indicate CMP may run out by mid 2017 any way.
     
  6. Flatbush Harry

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    At the moment, CMP is backed up in most categories of M1 Garand. Mark Johnson, COO of CMP, has stated in posts on the CMP forum:

    1. when caught up on backlog of current orders, there will be rifles available in some (perhaps, most) categories

    2. the stock of M1 Garands will run out in mid- to late 2017

    I had the pleasure of attending the Jan. 2015 Advanced maintenance Class at CMP HQ in Anniston, AL where I had the privilege of building a "new" M1 under the guidance of the CMP Custom Shop staff from completely refurbished and reparkerized parts to my preference (more on that below). While there, I toured the facility, including the area where cases of rifles returned to the US Army and subsequently transferred to CMP under statute, are stored and opened.

    The CMP does not know exactly what condition of M1s it has until those crates are actually opened and inspected by CMP armorers. Thus, the count of rifles can be projected by the number of crates and enumeration of contents on the inventory forms but the condition and grading of those rifles is unknown until inspected.

    These facts suggest that an interested prospective buyer may well advantage themselves by buying from the CMP auction where the purchased rifle can be ascertained. There may well never be "correct" grade, "collector" grade, or even "service" grade rifles available again except via auction because of limited number. This may translate into substantial increases in selling price to these grades with accompanying documentation. There will certainly be some "special" grade rifles which are refurb/repark builds by CMP armorers...and the "specials" may be available in multiple grades, depending on the starting grade of the receivers.

    I referred above to the AMC I attended and the rifle I built. It began life with a SA 2,222,2XX serial number (late 1944 manufacture) in excellent refurb/repark condition. I was able to select parts for it that were mostly time period correct (based on manufacturer and heat lot number) but importantly, I got type 2 lock bar rear sights, an uncut op rod, and a round top gas lock. I should note that I shared a workbench with a truly knowledgable collector and was able to ask the instructors for advice throughout the build. We got to select bolts, lap and fit them, install new unfired Criterion .30-06 barrels and time them correctly, do all fitment of parts (including match trigger jobs that we were taught how to do under supervision) and new walnut stock sets, and have staff test-fire the rifles with M2 ball ammo for function and reliability. My one concession to my advancing age (and declining eyesight) was to select an IHC wide base front sight for optimum visibility. The rifle looks brand new and shoots to 2 MOA...substantially better than Milspec, which was 4-5 MOA for acceptance. It is, for many reasons, my single favorite rifle and one with which I would trust my life. My son has agreed to take it and keep it as a keepsake upon my death.

    I have been fortunate to acquire 2 "Correct" grade Springfields (all either original or period-correct heat lot/manufacturer parts), built in 1954 and 1955, and two original "Special Grades", one SA and one HRA, which were assembled from "new condition, collector grade" rifles in new CMP walnut stocks and new stock metal in addition to the one I built last year.

    My principal shooter these days is a SA 5,4XX,XXX "correct grade" rifle that shoots to 3-4 MOA depending on ammo (M2 ball or hand loads). I bought my first two as commemoratives for my father, who carried one on Buna-Gona Beach in '43, and my uncle, who carried one on Utah Beach in '44. I got them back upon their passing and will never sell them. I shoot them every year on Veterans Day. I will shoot the other three beginning this year...they cry out for attention from the back of my safe.

    Shooting enthusiasts recognize and treasure the M1 Garand rifle. I certainly do for both sentimental and practical reasons.

    Harry

    PS-One of the things I like about the M1 is that I can disassemble an M1 to individual parts, reassemble them and fix/replace any malfunctioning parts, a small stock of which I maintain. Of all the rifles I have shot, own, these five are the ones in which I have total confidence, Milspec is a good thing...you can bet on it.

    FH
     
  7. Elkins45

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    I really want one of the Specials in .308 so I can shoot it a lot and use cheap surplus cases. There aren't many surplus boxer primed 06 cases floating around anymore.
     
  8. Acera

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    Not if that RINO Senator john mcclain has anything to do about it, he has introduced legislation to destroy those very pistols.
     
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    Got my special grade just in time. It came in the mail the same day they "sold out". Love that thing
     
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    There are 60,000 M1's in Iran. I think we need to invade and get them back. :)

    kwg
     
  11. mshootnit

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    It might be too late to get a nice cmp garand at a good price, but still plenty for sale on the open market.
    I have built two recently, I like to buy certain parts then assemble. Can be expensive but you get what you want. Importantly, start with a barrel that has good specs so you can get some good shooting out of it. You can still find NIW 65 series bolts too.
     
  12. tcoz

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    Mail in your order. When they catch up in a few months, you should get it.
     
  13. aka108

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    Mail your order in like now. Mail orders are still being taken so they most likely have sufficient in stock but a just behind. When the no. of orders and the no. left to sell are about equal sales will cease.
     
  14. Orlando

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    This is not correct, CMP is not accepting orders for sold out rifles. If and when they catch up to the backlog they will accept orders again
     
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    There are several warehouses in South Korea right now full of M1 Garand rifles. They wanted to return our property to the American people but the current Executive branch of our government refused to allow them to come home. From the reports they are in extremely good condition, many being made by H&R. Too bad we can't have our property returned to us. The South Korean government tried to do the right thing and return them BUT...
     
  16. Acera

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    That is not true.

    The guns are not ours. They were given, not loaned to the Koreans. Big difference. That is why the CMP will never get them.

    Number of threads on here and on the CMP website covering this.

    Hate to see these rumors still floating around the internet.
     
  17. ArchAngelCD

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    They are ours because they were paid for with tax dollars. If you want to argue to protect the one who refused to let the guns come back here we can do that but don't do it round-a-bout.

    Loaned or not they were offered back to us and would have been turned over to the CMP if the current administration didn't refuse to allow them to be returned. I guess he is afraid of all the crimes being done by criminals carrying M1 rifles. :fire:

    I won't be commenting any further because anything else that should be said might push into political discussion which is not permitted.
     
  18. Acera

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    First, the Koreans offered to sell us their property (read M1 Garands) back to the US. It is theirs to do with what they want, no matter your thoughts on it. They were given, not loaned. The US is making no claim on those items.

    If you give someone a gift, do you think it is still yours??

    Second, the CMP does not buy surplus rifles. Those guns would have to be returned to US military control before the CMP would have a chance at them. So no, the US DOD will not buy guns to give them to the CMP.

    This has been covered dozens of times yet some people who look to obama as the root of all evil continue to make up stuff about him. Yeah, he did stop them from going to a surplus company, but not the CMP. Plus other laws come into play when you talking about importing semi-automatic military rifles that were way before bhos time.

    Go to the CMP forums, research here, it has all been covered. Please quit spreading rumors.




    I can agree with you on that, Good idea for you.




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  19. Orlando

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    Correct, CMP does not buy rifles. When rifles that were loaned to other countrys tand they no longer need them they must be returned to the US Army then given to CMP.
    There were also surplus rifles that were given or sold to other countrys, these can be sold by them or thrown in the junkpile when the are done with them.. It is their property to do with what they want
    The Korean rifles were being sold to the highest bidder/Importer.
     
  20. Slamfire

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    Get what you can while you can. There will not be anymore Garand importation, Obama has seen to that and future Presidents will honor that. The Executive Branch owns the Munitions List , even though I have not looked at it in a while, I will bet Obama listed Garands or equivalent as a banned import.

    I have bozo friends whom I told to buy Garands when they were $350.00 apiece. They did nothing, and when the Garands were $450, $500, and $650, I told them to get one because they were not getting any cheaper. They did nothing. Now, if they want a nice Garand, they are going to have to pay $1000 and the price will keep on rising. I suspect they will suck their paws like a hungry bear in regret because they did not act when Garands were plentiful.
     
  21. agtman

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    Yep, quality M1s are pretty much gone, gone, and gone. Yeah, you can still find the highly popular $1,500 junker Garands on gun show tables, complete with out-of-spec parts and shot-out pitted barrels. :eek: :barf:

    Good luck on that shiznitz ... :rolleyes:
     
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