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CMP M1 Garand

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by 1911 guy, May 31, 2019.

  1. 1911 guy

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    My son's hobbies of shooting and WW II history came to a meeting last Saturday. He was ogling a rifle two lanes over and the random stranger handed my son a M1 and a box of ammo. A lesson on loading and my son is hooked. I'm contemplating getting him a rifle from CMP for Christmas.

    Which brings me to my question:

    For a range rifle that will be simply a range toy, do I want a Service Grade or CMP Special?
     
  2. skeeterfogger

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    Man love the M1 Garand. The one I had before my eyes got old would drive nails at 100 yards all day long. It was a training camp left over. Had the original military barrel. Not kidding you could put a hole anywhere you chose on a 3x5 card at 100 with it. 9.5 lbs, 10 with full clip of sweet shooting. I did have to get it rebarreled due to gas erosion after many good years but by then I couldn't do the peep sight. I had a -.001 6 groove match put on it and the guy I eventually sold it to said it shot great. My personal experience though say the real military barrel was awesome. I stayed with as close to milspec ammo as possible. Never over 167gn bullet. I did have a heavier spring for up to 225gn but it was just to good at specs. I really miss it. Only rifle I ever had I got 3 deer in one sit with. And several one shot doubles.
     
  3. DukeConnor

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    It is really hard to beat a special grade. New barrel, reparked components, and new wood. They are great shooters.

    I always recomend a special for a first Garand to anyone looking to get started in M1's.

    It may be your first but it won't be your last.
     
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  4. Dave DeLaurant

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    Just a suggestion: could you travel with your son to one of the CMP retail stores at Anniston, Alabama, or Port Clinton, Ohio? Maybe a father-son birthday treat? Nothing beats seeing before buying, and I'd have loved doing something like this with my old man.
     
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  5. Garandimal

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    This^^^

    Best 100 miles you will ever drive w/ your son.

    Go mid-week and have the desk help you out finding a good low bore number Service Grade shooter.

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    Have all your paperwork ready ahead of time so you can bring it home with you along w/ some M2 ball.

    Like goin' to the North Pole for Christmas gifts.




    GR.
     
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  6. NIGHTLORD40K

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    http://www.garandgear.com/m1-garand-ammunition

    I highly recommend using one of these unless you plan on sticking to handloads. My Dad and I use them and both our Garands still pass the "tilt" test after many hundreds of commercial 150gr. rounds down the tube. Use care when installing, though, as they are made from quite soft steel and will strip if overtightened. Better to replace the plug, though, than the gas cylinder, lol!
     
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  7. Garandimal

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    Use one of those "Ported Gas Screws" when shooting anything but M2 ball.

    They are great.


    The trick to screw torque, which has apparently been lost to the modern man, like making fire w/o a "Bic" or communicating w/o a cell phone...

    ...is Grease.

    Even on the CMP board you will read, "clean the gas cylinder lock screw and install dry, and then torque the crap out of it so it won't come loose"... because theirs is always coming loose, and yours will too. (because you will clean the gas cylinder lock screw and install it dry, and then torque the crap out of it)

    Screws hold - because the threads flex a little when properly torqued.

    If the threads are dry - friction builds up as the torque increases - not thread deflection.

    Vibration - will rattle the un-deflected threads apart and the screw will back out.

    Grease - reduces friction to nearly zero, so the torque goes into thread deflection.
    Grease - also acts as a film thickness dampener, and very light adhesive, to negate vibration between the threads.
    Grease - protects the threads from seizing due to corrosion.

    Clean - Grease - Torque - wait (for the grease to displace and film) - re-torque.

    This goes for sight/scope mounts, rings, and cap screws as well.

    Never had Any screw/bolt come loose on its own.




    GR
     
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  8. GunnyUSMC

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    Depends on what you are interested in. I have a CMP service grade and loved the history and dating all the parts. The special, with almost all newly manufactured parts, will look great but won't have the history behind it.
     
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  10. badkarmamib

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    I, too, went Service Grade. Luck of the draw, I got 1954 metal in 1943 wood. So, plenty of life left to shoot (gauged 2 at throat and muzzle), but the stock has history. I couldn't be happier. ETA: Yes, I know the sling is incorrect, but I already had it.

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  11. Flatbush Harry

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    I have a few M1 Garands from CMP. I have a couple of Correct Grades (5.4mm from 1954 and 5.8mm SA from 1955), a HRA Special Grade and a SA Special Grade (described by CMP as "New Condition, Collector Grade rifle in new CMP stock with new stock metal") and a Special Grade that I built from the parts box in the CMP Advanced Maintenance Class in Anniston in 2015. That one has a refurbed, reparked SA receiver, ser. no. 2,222,2xx from late 1943 (I liked both the ser. no. and the later war heat treating that is indicated by the diamond on the receiver), all late war correct parts as I could pick them from the parts box, including lock-bar rear sights, uncut SA op-rod, round top gas lock, SA parts as much as possible and a new Criterion barrel. I made one concession to being an old phart...I used an IHC front sight because they have extra widely-spaced ears so I could actually easily see the front sight.

    If you're looking for a shooter, either a Special Grade (not the same as the 2009 SA and HRA SGs) in .308 or .30-06 or a Service Grade will do you well. If you go with a SG, you can request (and it might even be honored) an original GI stock. Both types of rifles will be "mixmasters", arsenal rebuilds with mixed parts but excellent shooters. The Service Grade will be less expensive than the Special Grade which will look newer because it uses refurbed, reparkerized parts. Net, net, either one will be great. The best part of a CMP rifle is that their descriptions are something you can count on, and if you have any problems, CMP's customer service stands behind their rifles. In my experience, they have the best customer service in the shooting sports industry.

    Good luck.
     
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  12. BullRunBear

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    Nothing would beat a trip to the CMP Store with your son. My last Garand was a service model, luck of the draw. It arrived with a NOS barrel and stock. Essentially I ended up with a new rifle at a service rifle price. Can't rely on that happening all the time but I lucked out. It is way more accurate than I can shoot. God help my budget if I ever get to one of the stores. :D

    Jeff
     
  13. HankC

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    I ordered 2 field grade from CMP last year but decided to drive to North Store so I can examine the rifles before I buy, 1st trip, they had nothing left, came back with an air rifle, kept watching CMP forum North Store reports and went again when a new truck delivery arrived, I was hoping to find a nice one, even better if with Lock Bar rear sight, none of the Garands in the store with Lock Bar. 2 came home with me, I was going to cancel my mail order, but was too late, when the 2 mail order arrived, one is Lock Bar!
     
  14. Mullo98

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    I’m joining the bandwagon and suggest you and ya boy go to the CMP thats nearest to you. Get the one he likes best.
     
  15. 1911 guy

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    Not a bad idea, making the trip. We live only about two hours from Camp Perry.
     
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  16. rdnktrkr

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    I don't know about camp Perry but Anniston will give you a coupon to the range at Talladega, it is very nice 600yd range.
    I've ordered some and picked some up, mail order doesn't have 10% tax and everyone I've ordered has been a good shooter. When you go to the range most people want to handle it
     
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  17. skeeterfogger

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    When I had mine I stayed with as close to military specs as possible. After all they worked darn well with it. I found 165-167 gn in a cartridge with military equivalent performance was excellent.
     
  18. GooseGestapo

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    Don’t forget they also have a store at the Talladega range!

    I’ve got a CMP Special that is near match accurate ((with NM sights, it would be EIC capable). They come with new stocks (CMP cartouche- Boyd’s) and a new Criterion (Shilen) barrel. Mine shoots at/under 2” at 100yds with a Hornady match bullet over appropriate amount of H4895.

    If you really want to get hooked, shoot/participate in the D-Day matches coming up next weekend!
    See you there, maybe...
     
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  19. P5 Guy

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    Go to the National Match.
     
  20. Garandimal

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    Google mapped it from your avatar.
    (hope you don't feel violated)

    :D

    P.S. Consider the SG over the Special (unless you will be competing with it).

    They tell stories.




    GR
     
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