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CNN says FBI Agent's Weapon Accidentally fired...On it's Own!

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by JLStorm, Apr 5, 2007.

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  1. JLStorm

    JLStorm Member

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    I am so sick of these excuses:
    "Preliminary information suggests an FBI agent killed Thursday during a shootout with three bank-robbery suspects in New Jersey may have been fatally wounded when another agent's weapon accidentally fired"


    I dont know if I should be more upset with the FBI, or the media....


     
  2. Standing Wolf

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    See? That proves it: only the police and military can be trust with those terrible awful dangerous powerful scary guns.
     
  3. Hoppy590

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    Whatever.

    In 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the cases where a firearm "accidentally" goes off, someone or some object touched the trigger.

    Just my .02,
    LeonCarr
     
  5. gdvan01

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    Sounds like the official rub that explains "we hire morons that can't handle themselves when the bell rings."

    It's truly unfortunate when family members have to deal with the loss as a result of incompetence.
     
  6. .cheese.

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    my guns must just be stubborn because no matter what, they won't go off by themselves.
     
  7. Zero_DgZ

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    Well, okay. The gun "went off by itself." Time to string up the armorer who maintained and repaired that pistol, and the officer who carried it for not checking its functionality...

    Let's see how far that flies.
     
  8. TBeck

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    Nah, the armorer would get promoted. Why, you ask? Previous examples; such as an FBI sniper "accidentally" shooting a woman in the head while she was holding an infant. The sniper was subsequently reassigned...as a firearms instructor. :scrutiny:
     
  9. JLStorm

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    I find it hard to believe that the FBI agent doing the shooting or getting shot wasnt well trained...which makes the word "accidental" even more upsetting.

    Again...if a mere civilian non leo did this...life as they knew it would be over. They would have shot the guy, they would have to face the family...but in this case I suppose the gun will have to apologize to the family :cuss: :banghead:
     
  10. Mr White

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    But this was a highly trained FBI agent, whose firearm skills tower heads above those of us mere civilians, so its obvious that this case belonged to the other .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%.
     
  11. RNB65

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    Anyone know if the FBI uses 5.5lb or 11lb triggers in their Glocks? The adrenaline rush that occurs in a gun fight would make the 5.5lb trigger feather light. Very easy to AD.
     
  12. Tom488

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    I don't think pistols were involved here. Two different eyewitnesses report hearing a 3-round burst, and the FBI confirmed that none of the suspects' weapons had been fired. It was also reported that the FBI and State Police had been trailing this group for 2+ weeks. The group was known to have fired assault weapons during other robberies. So, knowing that they might go up against multiple criminals armed with rifles (be they of the semi-auto "assault" variety, or full-auto "really assault" variety), it's logical to think they'd be a little heavier-armed.

    Of course, this is all speculation. In the end, it doesn't really matter what type of weapon did the damage. It was bad enough to hear that an FBI agent had been shot, then to hear shortly after that he had died. It was far worse to hear that he was shot by one of his own while effecting an arrest.

    Neighbors and myself are paying particular attention to this, since it occurred here in our town, literally just down the street. AFAIK, the 3rd suspect is still roaming around somewhere. I hope his testicles fall off from frostbite.
     
  13. Cacique500

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    You mean very easy to ND
     
  14. El Tejon

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    If you observe Rule #3, then it is very hard to ND. This was intentional.

    I would want to know if the deceased agent had made any complaints about the FBI. FBI "accidently" kills a lot of people.:scrutiny:
     
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    How many lists are you on now El T?
     
  16. El Tejon

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    I've long been on the feds' list!:D

    BTW, can you imagine the media hysteria if a CCW holder had shot an innocent during a fight?

    Another aside, if none of the suspects' weapons were fired why is the FBI Agent shooting if not to kill the other agent? This stinks and smells like Murder.
     
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    They JUST caught the 3rd guy! 8:11 a.m.!!!

    There simply is no such thing as a firearm discharging itself. Watch new policies calling for stiffer triggers, greater security controls to keep these evil arms out of the hands of common people. Afterall, if the FBI can't handle them, how could be common folk?

    The FNC persists in saying that the "...agent was caught in the cross fire..."! What cross-fire? As I understand the perps never fired? More disinformation.
     
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    I know a couple of FBI agents out of the philadelphia office, One is the father of my son's good friend and he is over my house and I am over his quite often. He is on the SWAT team in the phila office. He carries an MP5, a level IIIA vest, and his springfield custom .45 in the trunk of his agency car. The standard issue pistol he carries is a .40 cal glock with the standard trigger. He is constantly on call to put his life on the line. He is a good person, an X marine, and a very nice man and we often talk about guns and shooting.

    The other FBI agent I know is retired and is the match director at my gun club, he and I shoot .22 rifles together often. The idea that an FBI agent would shoot another on purpose is ridiculous. I am surprised that the agent was killed, since they usually wear a pretty heavy duty IIIA bulletproof vest on raids. MY sympathy goes out to his family. Especially tragic since at age 52 he must have been eligible for retirement.
     
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    I dunno about anyone else, but I'm curious about the 'assault weapons' the bank robeers were supposedly carrying.
     
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    No JLStorm, CNN did not say that the agent's gun fired on its own. They said the gun accidently fired. There is nothing in the statement to indicate that they meant the gun fired on its own versus being accidently fired by the agent.

    The statement is no different than when a person is reported to be killed when accidently struck by a vehicle. There is no suggestion that the vehicle was acting as Christine and operating without a driver.
     
  21. JLStorm

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    Perhaps you should re-read the news report I copied directly from CNN.com! "another agent's weapon accidentally fired" Seems pretty clear cut...the agent's weapon fired...not another agent fired his weapon....noticed how its phrased and the emphasis is put on weapon and not agent, the weapon not the agent being the subject of the sentence. :banghead:
     
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    Sorry, but that says that the gun fired itself. If it said, "The gun was accidentally fired," that would be different.
     
  23. JLStorm

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    Double Naught Spy....how about this...the next time you see CNN report a hit and run accident...and the story says that the "the car accidentally hit a pedestrian" without taking a single word out of context, you be sure to let us know.
     
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    I am sure that after the investigation is concluded and they have a chance to coach, I mean interview, all the witnesses, that everything will become clear. Or at least a plausible story will come out. It may take a while.

    OTOH, they took a few bad guys off the street. Since they were fopllowing these guys for weeks, one has to wonder why they didn't nab them in a safer manner. A bank parking lot sounds like they waited until they robbed another bank to take them down.
     
  25. Travis McGee

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    I also know a career FBI Special Agent, and he is a total gun pro, totally pro 2nd Amd, pro-Constitution, and as fine a man as I have ever met. The FBI agents I know are "the good guys." Very good. Can't speak to their political bosses, I don't know them. But the Special Agents I've known are terrific. Are there bad ones? Must be. I don't know them.
     
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