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(CO) Fight with computer brings SWAT team

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  1. Drizzt

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    Fight with computer brings SWAT team
    No charges filed after misunderstanding cleared up

    By Mary Butler, Camera Staff Writer
    January 9, 2003

    A 32-year-old Boulder man who had opened his apartment's patio door to enjoy Wednesday's unusually warm weather was later overheard screaming threats and seen waving what appeared to be a handgun, prompting a maintenance worker to call police.

    Officers, as a precaution, evacuated the man's apartment building and called SWAT officers to assist in defusing the situation.

    It turned out that the man was simply upset at his computer — which he had called a "bitch" he "wanted to kill," police said — and the gun was a plastic pellet gun, not the .45-caliber automatic handgun it was made to resemble.

    "It was alarming and concerning and expensive for us, but the man's conduct didn't warrant any criminal charges," Deputy Police Chief Dave Hayes said.

    Three people were evacuated from the man's eight-unit building, at 3350 Bridger Trail in the Remington Post condominium complex at the intersection of 30th Street and Iris Avenue.

    The 3 p.m. incident was resolved by about 4:30 p.m. The man, whose name wasn't released because he wasn't arrested on suspicion of any crime, was cooperative once police contacted him. Police did not confiscate the pellet gun, but with the man's permission, they took another firearm from his home "for safekeeping."

    "He was very surprised, embarrassed and apologetic," Hayes said.

    Hundreds of people driving near the housing complex — which is adjacent to banks, a grocery store and the Alterra retirement community — were detoured as police officers directed traffic to keep residents of the complex from going home. Many people watched from sidewalks to find out why SWAT officers were carrying large rifles around the housing complex.

    http://www.dailycamera.com/bdc/city_news/article/0,1713,BDC_2422_1661447,00.html

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  2. Blackhawk

    Blackhawk Member In Memoriam

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    What'd wid 'dat? :confused:
     
  3. Monkeyleg

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    Hmmm...maybe there should be a new question on the 4473's: have you ever experienced the Blue Screen of Death?
     
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    I wouldn't have let the SWAT team take anything from my house, embarrassed or not.:rolleyes:
     
  6. 2nd Amendment

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    Took another firearm for "safekeeping"...hmmmm

    Sorry, any LEO wants to do that to me, get a warrant and arrest me...and be prepared to meet my lawyers: Dewey, Screwem & Howe.
     
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    I once gave my computer the finger.....I think I'll go down to my friendly ATF office and turn in my "arsenal"; I just don't feel safe around myself sometimes.:rolleyes:
     
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    Sounds like Red Mall Ninjas need to go down for Criminal Conversion.:confused:
     
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    Sick and wrong. :fire:
     
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    Why would he let them take his gun for "safekeeping"? Under what authority do they have to do that?
     
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    He should be careful. Those teflon coated BBs can penetrat 14 layers of LCD displays.
     
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    Wonder what it'll take if he ever wants to get it back? a court order? or will it be destroyed as a public nusiance.
     
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    Jack booted THUGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:fire:
     
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    safekeeping? SAFEKEEPING:scrutiny:

    What the heck does that mean? Drop by our range an shoot it whenever you want? .....its in the big safe behind booking, go ahead an get it. The combo is R4 L10 R30 :rolleyes:



    It was stolen. Unless the moron really did understand that he didn't have to let them take it, in which case he threw it away. When SWAT shuts down your block, and swoops into your apartment because you did something stupid your probably too happy to hear its a misunderstanding, and too worried about them changing their mind to consider being anything but cooperative.
     
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    It would have made more sense if they had taken his computer instead.

    See, you just can't trust common people with those evil black boxes.
     
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    I guess knocking on his door was out of the question. :rolleyes:

    Oh well, off to nappy land. :p
     
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    It's a Boulder thing. We Americans wouldn't understand.
     
  19. Coronach

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    ROTFLOL! OK...so the cops get calls about a man firing off shots, and they dare to respond in a manner befitting a shots-fired run...and once they make contact with the homeowner (note: no mention of door-kicking), he willingly hands over a firearm for safekeeping...and furthermore, is not arrested or even charged...and the cops are the bad guys?

    Uhm...have any of you ever consider spin-doctoring as a career choice?

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    That is an excellent response. If ever asked by a police officer if they may secure your firearm for safekeeping, the response you would like to choose is "No."

    This is not the option he chose. Its his property, if he wants to allow the police to store it for safekeeping, he is free to do so. His gun, his choice.
    :rolleyes: The only way they would have done anything wrong is if it is not returned when he requests it. And before anyone out there asks "yeah, how often are they returned?" the answer is "everyday."
    What, that he chose a different course than you would have? Thats not very open minded.
    Note, these are two completely unrelated questions. Why would he do it? I have no idea. But people do it every day. "Here...I don't want this gun in my house." We take it to the property room and give them a receipt. Under what authority do they have to do it? Well...he gave it to them.
    Unless there is somethine unreported in the story (imagine that!), he will take his receipt to the local Property Room and they will hand him his property back. Its pretty easy. Happens every day.
    :rolleyes: Dare I ask...why?
    No, it means it is being stored by the police for safekeeping, and can be claimed by the owner at any time. We do it with found property, items turned in to us, cars involved in wrecks where the owner was transported to the hospital, you name it, we store it.
    Again, its only stolen if its not returned when he asks for it. He gave it to them. This is not at all unheard-of. There are MANY times that we go on runs where someone is obviously none too stable (as might describe this guy, no?) and armed, and we ask if we could store their firearm in the property room until whatever the current stress subsides. This is most often done at domestics, or suicide calls. We give them a receipt and take the gun to the property room. And if they decline to allow us to do this, the gun remains. AFAIK, this is standard practice everywhere, and it is very amusing that THR is so flustered over this.

    And, you know? I'm missing the part where they "swooped into the apartment." I'm guessing you were there, then. How did that go, exactly?

    And if this HAD been a man firing off shots, the police would be excoriated if they had not blocked off the area to protect everyone and taken the precautions that they had. Get real.
    I'm guessing that they eventually did just that.

    Mike
     
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    Mike, your practiced patience and diplomacy is amazing! :D
     
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    Yah, they finally knocked, after assembling the SWAT team. :rolleyes:
    Of course, if there had been a victim shot, they would have been long dead by the time an approach was made.
    I don't care to wait for SWAT when there is an indication that a party may be injured, but then I am an exception rather than the rule.
    I still go through doors without an automatic weapon, helmet, balaclava and eight other wannbee Ninjas behind me. ;)

    Now in defense of the officers, many agencies have gone to a requirement that they do just what those guys did, best hope you don't need medical attention while awaiting the response of a SWAT team.
     
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    Because SWAT don't carry no SMALL rifles!
     
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    Cor, no, if they defrauded or tricked our computer commando, the SQUAT team could go down for Crim Con (or whatever they call it in Red). "Now, we have to take your guns." Why? "Uhhh, standard procedure." [Buzzer sounds]

    Don't know what happened but sounds like the ideal time to convene the grand jury and go SQUAT hunting.:)
     
  24. Beren

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    Nothing to see here. Please move along.

    We don't know that the man was threatened or coerced into surrendering his firearm, and I am not at all concerned that he gave it to the police for safekeeping.

    OBVIOUSLY the moron isn't stable in the first place or he wouldn't have been shouting at his computer while waving a replica firearm around!! Hello, McFly!

    I can't see that the police did ANYTHING wrong in this case - and I'll always be among the first to jump on their backs if they DO infringe our rights.
     
  25. Coronach

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    I'll agree 100%. Was there any indication of this? Seeing as how there was no mention of it in the newspaper story, and there were actually no victims (and no gun used, heh!), I 'm guessing they got it as a "nut job cranking off rounds" call.

    Sure, they could've made contact with him prior to this (we would have), but if there is no indication of a victim, why risk an escalation? Not knowing what they knew, I'll not second guess them.

    :rolleyes: Silliness. Now, if the firearm is not returned...

    Mike
     
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