Cold dead fingers, Really?

[76shuvlinoff]

nobody going to take them flashy black-rifles and cases of ammo instead they'll willfully be handed over for scraps of food when the babies start crying.

Guess I'll eat the horses.

 

[meanmrmustard]

Guess I'll eat the horses.

Here, here. Greasy horse tastes much sweeter than bitter defeat.

 

[BHP FAN]

I don't have any horses. I have three cats...but I'm really fond of two of them.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

What do you treasure more? Possessing guns, or being an American?

Loaded question.
I treasure being an American very much, but the reason I do so is not out of some unfounded loyalty that I have just because I was born here. I treasure it because of the freedoms that we have (for now) that most countries do not. That's what sets us apart. Take the liberties away, and America is just one among hundreds.

"Where liberty is, there is my country" - Ben Franklin

 

[LS240]

I personally feel the time to "fight back" is when or if the government starts confiscations, because after that would be too late to fight back. I mean, it's kinda hard to fight tyranny without arms right? I don't ever want to face a situation where I have federal employees standing at my door asking to be let in so they can search my home and seize my legally-purchased property. I really don't want to be forced to make that decision to submit or make a stand. But if that moment comes, I hope I have the courage to do the right thing and tell them to stuff it, regardless of the consequences.

Please don't mistake this for false bravado, as I don't have a hero complex or desire to take any life or have mine taken. However, many good people fought and died to guarantee the rights I hold dear almost 240 years ago and many more have died since while defending those same rights. Therefore I feel I have a moral imperative to make a sacrifice if necessary so those previous sacrifices weren't made in vain. I feel that allowing the government to take property from its citizens, especially with the express intent to remove the people's ability to fight back(what other reason is there to disarm citizens?), would be allowing them to go too far.

I suppose my willingness to make a stand may change after I have kids, and I certainly understand if that's the case for anyone who doesn't want to fight. But right now I have no kids and no obligation to stay around for that reason.

 

[Sam1911]

I personally feel the time to "fight back" is when or if the government starts confiscations, because after that would be too late to fight back.

I think the point some of us are making is that the time to fight and WIN is NOW. When the government finally starts overt confiscations it will be FAR too late to fight back.

 

[Leanwolf]

Originally Posted by Leanwolf
Should such laws be passed, and one day John Doe stands out on his front lawn and guns down a cop or two, or a couple of "blue helmets," or a Marine or two before he is made to look like a piece of bloody tripe, the politicians who passed the law will be sitting back in D.C. all nice and cozy, laughing their heads off about it, while swilling champagne and eating pate de fois gras and vichyssoise, at the taxpayers' expense.

L.W.

MEANMRMUSTARD - "What's your point?
Odds are it won't be an isolated incident."

MeanMrMustard, I'm surprised you didn't understand my post.

What it means, or "the point," is that the politicians who passed the laws to ban and confiscate, will be the politicians who order the cops or "blue helmets," or whomever to come confiscate the firearms of the "worker peasants." Whether or not there are many resisters, rather than the one "John Doe" I mentioned, will not matter one whit to them.

The politicians will not give one big fat rat's behind how many of the citizens are killed, nor will they care how many of their own Enforcers are killed. There will be plenty more Enforcers where they came from.

The politicians will be fat and happy and enjoying themselves laughing and swilling at the taxpayers' trough.

L.W.

 

[LS240]

I think the point some of us are making is that the time to fight and WIN is NOW. When the government finally starts overt confiscations it will be FAR too late to fight back.

You are absolutely correct. It's always better to resolve an issue non-violently and before it actually becomes an issue. I should clarify that I mean the time for violent action would be at the point of confiscation. By definition that would only happen if non-violent means have failed. I would obviously much rather prevent it from getting to that point at all.

 

[BHP FAN]

as would we all. I'm not Rambo.

 

[Steel Horse Rider]

Rambo apparently doesn't believe in an armed citizenry. Be glad you are not Rambo. That movie was one of the biggest disgraces to the Special Forces that was ever made.

 

[fiddleharp]

One impression I'm gathering from this thread is that almost all of its participants are white men over the age of 60. You might have been a kick-azz Marine in 1968, but now you're an old man who is letting his mouth make promises his body can't keep.
If you doubt that, just go outside and sprint like hell around the block. Move those feet like an Apache helicopter is right behind you with its miniguns ablazing. If you actually make it home under your own power, your wife will be rubbing you down with Ben Gay after she drives you home from the emergency room.
By the time the government finally gets around to gun confiscation, me and you will either be wormfood or drooling in a nursing home.
The government can afford to be patient. The day will soon arrive when the opinions, passions, and threats of old white men will mean absolutely nothing. One only has to observe the 180 the Republican Party has done on illegal immigration in order to court the "Hispanic Vote". They can read the handwriting on the wall, and are now acting upon what they've read.
A new people will soon be in charge. George W. Bush was America's last white male president.
Will these Mexican immigrants and their offspring cherish the words of the Founding Fathers and rant about The Constitution like we do?
I don't think they will. For better or worse, I believe this nation will soon be headed into a new direction, through uncharted waters.

 

[xxjumbojimboxx]

Im in

Im definitly in. I know this may sound a little be crazy seeing as I'm a young man.. But my world, my media, my influence, has numbed me to so many things. My point here is that the only thing that brings me true joy, and excitement (any real emotion) in my life is hunting down and acquiring, shooting, cleaning, trading, and selling firearms. Sure I've got a girlfriend, and good friends and whatnot... But my true passion is firearms. If someone were to march up to my door and say that theyll be taking them. Well, you can refer to my signature for the conclusion of tha train of thought.

 

[BLB68]

One impression I'm gathering from this thread is that almost all of its participants are white men over the age of 60. You might have been a kick-azz Marine in 1968, but now you're an old man who is letting his mouth make promises his body can't keep.

My father's 71. He'd make you eat those words after he pinched your head off*. He's worked hard all of his life, and continues to work hard in his retirement, and continues to be stronger than an ox. He's in better cardio shape than men less than half his age.

Don't underestimate old guys.






*Not really. Fortunately, he's mellowed out in his old age.

 

[CheckFire]

"Whaaa...call the amber lamps!..."

THAT old white man was 67, he handled himself well iirc.

 

[David White]

Oh, sure. Plan accordingly, though? What does that mean? Stop going to work? Stop living life so you can sit at home and wait for the end to come?

And if these things start, these guys aren't going to be held up as heroes who died for a cause, they're going to be "crackpots" sitting in jail. The "scary loner with an arsenal and dangerous munitions stockpiled for the apocalypse ..." or however the press will say it.

Look, I'm not in any way saying to lay down your arms or turn them in. I'm saying it's a dead-end road. If we have to turn that way, well ... we simply must fight hard enough NOW not to ever have to turn that way.

If you've spent any time contemplating and preparing yourself for a B-O-G end, spend 10x that much effort going to visit your representatives and Senators, writing, emailing, calling, donating, organizing, taking people shooting, etc., etc.

The fight is NOW. Not in a pile of spent brass when "they" come for you. If you think you're ready to face the "end game" FIGHT like it's END GAME NOW. If you believe you can commit everything THEN? Commit everything NOW.

You keep saying to "write, call and email" do that we don't have to fight.
Sounds to me that you are afraid for you! That if it comes to blazing away and going to war, you don't want any part of it.
You know what? You can surrender your arms now so that you can sit this out. No big deal. There will be plenty of able bodies to take up the slack!
My wife already knows that I will take it as far as it goes. She doesn't like it but I explained it to her so she can be ready.
I will not submit. I will not roll over. I will "cowboy the <deleted> up and do my duty, for God and country.

 

[David White]

Im pretty sure the 2nd isn't in there to kill people Sam. We are just basically beating our chest here. We are discussing a unlikely hypothetical, and I normally don't do such. Im done.

Actually, I'm pretty damn sure that the 2A is in there for just that purpose. How do you defend against a tyrannical government that has stolen your rights?
Water balloon fights? Rock , paper, scissors?
There will be loss of life if they keep taking our rights. Question is.... Which side do you want to be on?

 

[larryh1108]

One impression I'm gathering from this thread is that almost all of its participants are white men over the age of 60. You might have been a kick-azz Marine in 1968, but now you're an old man who is letting his mouth make promises his body can't keep.
If you doubt that, just go outside and sprint like hell around the block. Move those feet like an Apache helicopter is right behind you with its miniguns ablazing. If you actually make it home under your own power, your wife will be rubbing you down with Ben Gay after she drives you home from the emergency room.

This is one of the most disrespectful statements I've read on these boards. You can write this because tens of thousands of old men died protecting your right to write them. In 40 years, you will be the old man who needs a cane and you know what? This ststement will probably be the best thing you contributed to society. Sad. Now, go back to your video games.

 

[fiddleharp]

Actually Larry, if you go back and read my post #43, you'll see a letter mentioned between me and my mother in 1969. She was in Florida, and I was in Vietnam.
I am one of those old men.
By the way, is wasn't the "old men" who died protecting my freedom.
It was the young ones.

 

[larryh1108]

The funny thing is post #43 was one of the best posts of this thread. When I read that I realized you were right. They can and will do anything they think is "right".

Then you wrote the post I mentioned. Why? You are the man you referred to. Does this mean you can't fight any more or you won't? Are you too old for it to matter? These conflicting posts make no sense to me.

And, BTW, the young men who died or wounded would be and are the old men today you referred to. They are still the same service men and women who faced those bullets. Time may have made their body old and tired but they are still the same people whether 18 or 68. Don't forget the career officers and leaders who are "old men". They still bleed on the battle fields.

 

[Bianchi?]

One impression I'm gathering from this thread is that almost all of its participants are white men over the age of 60. You might have been a kick-azz Marine in 1968, but now you're an old man who is letting his mouth make promises his body can't keep.
If you doubt that, just go outside and sprint like hell around the block. Move those feet like an Apache helicopter is right behind you with its miniguns ablazing. If you actually make it home under your own power, your wife will be rubbing you down with Ben Gay after she drives you home from the emergency room.
By the time the government finally gets around to gun confiscation, me and you will either be wormfood or drooling in a nursing home.
The government can afford to be patient. The day will soon arrive when the opinions, passions, and threats of old white men will mean absolutely nothing. One only has to observe the 180 the Republican Party has done on illegal immigration in order to court the "Hispanic Vote". They can read the handwriting on the wall, and are now acting upon what they've read.
A new people will soon be in charge. George W. Bush was America's last white male president.
Will these Mexican immigrants and their offspring cherish the words of the Founding Fathers and rant about The Constitution like we do?
I don't think they will. For better or worse, I believe this nation will soon be headed into a new direction, through uncharted waters.

A sprint around the block? No problem. You'll just have to give me 20 minutes because my block is 3 miles around. I recently ran a VERY hilly half marathon in 1:47. It's not that fast (~8minute mile), but i can do it.
Also, no wife, and I'm 22. But it's nice to see that you think the firearm community is made up of exclusively aging geezers.

 

[Lex Luthier]

@fiddleharp: Easy now friend. While the stereotype may very well be more "experienced" men in their sixties, I am 47, and guarantee you that us "younger" men will hold the fort.

 

[soonerfan85]

"Sorry officer, I traded that gun and a couple of others last year for those two six shooters"

 

[Resist Evil]

If law enforcement agents of some kind demand that I surrender my firearms, the Eeyore in me will counsel abject compliance with "no sense in fighting it, my wife will be devastated if I do, I can't win anyway, my death will change nothing, liberals always win, they are Borg and resistance is futile" and so on. On the other hand, the Liberty-loving American in me might counter with something like "it's better to fight for something than to exist for nothing." I don't genuinely know what I'd do in that circumstance.

As a thirty-year-plus member of a largely incompetent leftist employment organization, I have never been able to persuade a single fellow member to consider the truth of the Right to keep and bear arms. As a matter of fact, no matter how I tried to express, respectfully and earnestly, how normal and reasonable it is to be interested in Liberty and firearms, I have lost employment because some of those above me were in fear that as a gun owner I might "go postal" at the slightest provocation. As a 2A spokesmodel and evangelist, I am a failure, so I don't do that anymore.

I do belong to the NRA, I just recently donated to NRA-ILA, and it's likely that I'll be joining the Second Amendment Foundation real soon.

After politely writing to my political "representatives" at both the state and federal levels of largely incompetent leftist government, I received polite form letters in reply telling me how much they appreciate hearing from their constituents and how they will balance public safety against the Second Amendment when considering which new infringements they're going to support. My political "representatives" are all liberals and I don't have enough money to get their attention really, so I content myself with the thought I'm at least trying to slow their mad rush to pervert American Liberty by my puny skills at letter writing.

I know I'm not much of a rifle marksman and my Bushmaster AR stops working after a shot or two anyway, so I'm joining, donating, and writing letters now because if later, liberals succeed in passing confiscatory laws, I'll probably be up that famous creek if the real shooting starts. I won't be without a paddle though. At least the AR will be good for something!

 

[David White]

This IS SPARTA!!!

Seriously, I'll either fight and come back with my S&W Shield, or on it.

I love it! Absolutely Brilliant!

 

[Sam1911]

You keep saying to "write, call and email" do that we don't have to fight.
Sounds to me that you are afraid for you! That if it comes to blazing away and going to war, you don't want any part of it.

You're danged sure RIGHT! I NEVER want to see a war, certainly not here on our beloved home soil against our own brother Americans. What kind of psychotic reject would say he DID want some part of that? Could I, would I? I can't say and you can't either. I'm going to work my LIFE away in the fight to never have to find out.

That's why I make the call I do. Don't come here and preach how tough you'll be SOMEDAY if there's one OUNCE more you could do now to stave off the day when arms might be the only choice left. If you can't sacrifice your LIVING life now to fight the battle we can WIN, you're lying to yourself and everyone else if you say you'll KILL and DIE for it "someday."

You know what? You can surrender your arms now so that you can sit this out. No big deal. There will be plenty of able bodies to take up the slack!

Oooookay. Yup. Sure. That's exactly what you should take away from my call to ACT now.

My wife already knows that I will take it as far as it goes. She doesn't like it but I explained it to her so she can be ready.

You have a very patient wife who must have a WOLRD-CLASS sense of humor.