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We still have work to do. The battle is not over. As others have pointed out there are many options left to those of us that live here.
Colorado Gun Control - Standard Capacity Magazines, Private Sales proposed bans
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We still have work to do. The battle is not over. As others have pointed out there are many options left to those of us that live here.
Zak Smith
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If there aren't the "right" organizations to do this, let's start new ones.
I'm up for that.
Okiegunner
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Sad day for Colorado. Oklahoma will never buckle to the gun-grabbers.
June 28 of each year is an offcial State Holiday in Oklahoma, "2nd Amendment Day". Officially signed into law by Governor Mary Fallin.
June 28 of each year is an offcial State Holiday in Oklahoma, "2nd Amendment Day". Officially signed into law by Governor Mary Fallin.
breakingcontact
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How many people work at magpul? Before the politicians care about the jobs it would have to be a lot of folks.
I wouldn't be surprised if Magpul came to Texas. Seems like about every other business is.
The left is extraordinarily vocal, organized and determined. There really are more of "us" but "they" just yell louder and more persistently.
I wouldn't be surprised if Magpul came to Texas. Seems like about every other business is.
The left is extraordinarily vocal, organized and determined. There really are more of "us" but "they" just yell louder and more persistently.
Zak Smith
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It's already in the record.
Approx 200 direct and approx another 400 at subcontractors.
News articles typically round that up to 1000.
I know many other small businesses on the front range that would move.
Approx 200 direct and approx another 400 at subcontractors.
News articles typically round that up to 1000.
I know many other small businesses on the front range that would move.
Enough of the "My state is better than your state". If it can happen here, it can happen anywhere.
Let me repeat that:
If it can happen here, it can happen anywhere!
We need to band together and work, not stand around and thump our chests.
From now on, I'll be deleting posts stating; "Thank gawd I live in ____".
If you feel a need to make meaningless noise, please do it somewhere else.
JRH6856
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House Republicans keep saying, "No way, no how", but what if the Democrats offer a really tempting package of spending cuts and/or tax cuts in exchange for gun control? A number of Republicans were elected on tax and spending issues, not gun control issues and they may be tempted by that bait.
I can't help but think that the Dems would not be pushing so hard in the Senate if they didn't have some kind of plan to get through the House.
I didn't necessarily mean during this term. I'm not saying it is likely, but I do consider it fully within the powers of the RNC to get it wrong and back uninspired establishment candidates and as a result bungle an upcoming election and lose power in the House.
C.F. Plinker
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As I understand the bill it presently requires background checks on the principals of the corporation as well as all holders of beneficial interest in the corporation whenever an unlicensed person transfers possession of a gun to the corportation. My understanding - and I hope that I am wrong - is that every shareholder has a beneficial interest in the corporation. It makes no difference if the transfer is a permanent one (think purchase by the corporation) or a temporary transfer.
The first thing that crossed my mind was the temporary transfer that takes place when you check your luggage; which containes a declared firearm, in at the ticket counter of an airline. Under this bill; you the transforer, have to arrange for a background check of the transferee, in this case, the airline. Now how are you going to do that? I forsee a long learning curve under this bill as everyone finds out that the implimentation will not be nearly as smooth as the proponents and media have portrayed it to be.
The first thing that crossed my mind was the temporary transfer that takes place when you check your luggage; which containes a declared firearm, in at the ticket counter of an airline. Under this bill; you the transforer, have to arrange for a background check of the transferee, in this case, the airline. Now how are you going to do that? I forsee a long learning curve under this bill as everyone finds out that the implimentation will not be nearly as smooth as the proponents and media have portrayed it to be.
Zak Smith
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I kind of wonder where the various NFA items fall under 1229 w.r.t.corporate entities.
Not sure if this was answered but I would second that option.
MRH
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ref 182 from C.F. Plinker
If you arrive in Colorado and want your gun back from the airline, is someone, (a cop or TSA e.g.) going to refuse to give it to you until a background check is complete?
RE Colorado HB1229. The House rejected all Senate amendments. Some of those were pretty significant changes that changed meanings and clarified items. Nearly all of the amendments were made by Republicans. I suspect that the Democrats will not allow them to be added back again.
Mike
If you arrive in Colorado and want your gun back from the airline, is someone, (a cop or TSA e.g.) going to refuse to give it to you until a background check is complete?
RE Colorado HB1229. The House rejected all Senate amendments. Some of those were pretty significant changes that changed meanings and clarified items. Nearly all of the amendments were made by Republicans. I suspect that the Democrats will not allow them to be added back again.
Mike
C.F. Plinker
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I've always chosen to drive when transporting firearms so I don't have any first hand experience with the airlines and how they get them back to you. However in reading the Frontier website, it appears that they just come up the conveyor belt and go around the carousel unless they are too big to fit. I've been at some small airports where they just put the luggage on the ground by the plane and you pick yours up and carry it into the terminal.
OK you air travelers, educate me on what really happens. Especially at Denver, Durango, and Grand Junction.
With respect to this bill, the airline is the unlicensed transforer and would have to arrange for the background check. Of course you, as the transferee, are supposed to know that you are violating the law if you accept a firearm from an unlicensed transforer who has not had the background check performed.
OK you air travelers, educate me on what really happens. Especially at Denver, Durango, and Grand Junction.
With respect to this bill, the airline is the unlicensed transforer and would have to arrange for the background check. Of course you, as the transferee, are supposed to know that you are violating the law if you accept a firearm from an unlicensed transforer who has not had the background check performed.
coloradokevin
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Before everyone goes running from Colorado, remember that we're still doing better than a lot of places on many of our gun laws. We got stung bad in the last couple of weeks, but as I start studying laws around the country, I've come to realize that the CCW laws here in Colorado are much friendlier than even some very pro-gun states.
Here you can carry almost everywhere with your permit (liquor establishments, colleges, even places that have "no gun signs", provided that they aren't schools, federal buildings, or places with permanent weapons screening in place). You can also carry concealed in your car here in Colorado without a permit of any kind, provided that you are legally allowed to own a gun.
Again, we got screwed this week, and I'm not trying to sugar coat the situation. But, in reality, we're doing better than a lot of places right now. So, lets stay the course here and fight these fools out of office. It's time to restore liberty here, because the legal battle is coming to many other states in the future. We can't run from it forever!
Here you can carry almost everywhere with your permit (liquor establishments, colleges, even places that have "no gun signs", provided that they aren't schools, federal buildings, or places with permanent weapons screening in place). You can also carry concealed in your car here in Colorado without a permit of any kind, provided that you are legally allowed to own a gun.
Again, we got screwed this week, and I'm not trying to sugar coat the situation. But, in reality, we're doing better than a lot of places right now. So, lets stay the course here and fight these fools out of office. It's time to restore liberty here, because the legal battle is coming to many other states in the future. We can't run from it forever!
CoRoMo
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I'm finding nothing whatsoever about obliterating the required serial number or date. The only thing is this...
I think they amended the bill to remove the serial number requirement. I believe it now states:
This is the latest version: http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/cl...E62E6F87257B0100813CB5?open&file=1224_rer.pdf
This is the latest version: http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/cl...E62E6F87257B0100813CB5?open&file=1224_rer.pdf
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*Wow* and I thought Illinois had bad gun laws. This is really sad, I was considering purchasing a ranch down in Trinidad, but too damn bad. I hope every person in CO votes these people out, and does not comply to this law, do not give it legitimacy.
What is the possibility of a court challenge to HB1224 (Mag Ban)? Does a challenge require a test case or can it be challenged outright due to its ambiguity, unconstitutionality, etc.?
I just reread HB1224 after reading up on California's mag ban... HB1224 says nothing about it being illegal to own "magazine parts", so does that mean that any disassembled magazine (ie magazine parts) is de facto "legal" as long as it is in the disassembled state?
edit... just found the California-Compliant rebuild kits for Glock Mags
HB1224 makes no mention of "assembly" or "repair" of magazines, just "manufacture".
Regardless, as long as this law is in place, I'm sure there will be a lucrative market for selling pre-ban mags to Coloradoans.
I just reread HB1224 after reading up on California's mag ban... HB1224 says nothing about it being illegal to own "magazine parts", so does that mean that any disassembled magazine (ie magazine parts) is de facto "legal" as long as it is in the disassembled state?
edit... just found the California-Compliant rebuild kits for Glock Mags
HB1224 makes no mention of "assembly" or "repair" of magazines, just "manufacture".
Regardless, as long as this law is in place, I'm sure there will be a lucrative market for selling pre-ban mags to Coloradoans.
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