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Colorado gun control

Discussion in 'Activism' started by IlikeSA, Feb 5, 2013.

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  1. longknife12

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    Well, we lost round one....both passed by 7-4.Straight party lines. This was only clearing committee...we still have a chance!
    Dan

    I stand corrected...so far...710pm, only background has passed committee....we can hope!
    Dan


    Mag capacity is in process of being amended to read 15rd capacity.
     
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  2. WhiteT

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    Wow, click that link to live feed and read the story in the denver post. The arapahoe county coroner Arapahoe County Coroner Michael Dobersen, whose office received the bodies of victims killed in the Aurora theater shooting , said in testimony that firearms with these appendages produce some of the most gruesome wounds he's ever seen.
    "These rounds have a devastating effect on the body," Dobersen said. "Can you imagine seeing multiple wounds from this? Even one bullet wound is devastating, but those from high-capacity magazines are especially bad."
     
  3. mrvco

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    This mag ban is positively absurd. It won't be any more effective than Denver's current ban has been and prosecution of it will be strictly arbitrary and prejudicial. I have a bunch of 15+ cap mags and absolutely no way of proving whether I purchased them pre-ban or post-ban ~2 hours away in Wyoming. Fortunately it doesn't sound like any of our Sheriffs will bother enforcing this silliness, of course it's not like the Denver Police have bothered to enforce their mag ban either.

    Not to mention, this UBC legislation is almost equally absurd, as long as you purchased a gun prior to the ban, you can back-date an invoice and say you sold it for cash prior to the ban taking effect.
     
  4. IlikeSA

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    I wonder if it would be worth it to speak about how these new law proposals promote racism, in the fact that it makes it harder for the poor and minorities that are generally poor to buy a weapon for self defense. If we then explored the history of gun control and thanked the democrats for coming full circle to the democrats of the South in the 1870s, they may be less inclined to push these laws. It would then leave them with "gun control, but a racist destroying the democrat party base" or "no gun control, leave the democrat base intact." Perhaps also speak about how these laws are going to effect homosexuals right to defend themselves, as well as minorities, from extremist groups.
     
  5. mrvco

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    I sent an email asking our state congress-people what would happen in the event of my pre-ban magazines being discovered during a routine traffic stop since they have no serial# or mfg date stamped on them.

    I have received a couple email responses addressing my concern.

    State Representative Spencer Swaim (R) responded "... As you noted, proving "pre-ban" ownership would be highly difficult -- perhaps their intent".

    State Senator Angela Giron (D) reassured me that "the burden of proof is on the prosecution to prove that they were illegally obtained, not on the defense to prove that they were legally obtained." However she did not (and has yet to) address the question of whether or not my magazines (and even my guns) could be confiscated and held while the prosecution completed their investigation.

    I also sent another question asking how the Colorado Magazine Ban would deal with out of state folks (ie the tourism angle) from Gun-Friendly states traveling to or through Colorado... especially those from states with CCW Permit reciprocity and conceal-carry guns with "standard mag capacities" in excess of 15 rounds. I asked whether their intent was to turn Colorado into a "Drive Around State" rather than a "Drive Through or To State" for these folks.
     
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  6. Rio Laxas

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    I see that the proposed fee for background checks through CBI made it out of committee. Why not just switch to NICS like most everyone else instead & avoid state expenditure?
     
  7. mokin

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    Looks like just about everything is moving through the respective committees along party lines. I can't believe there is that much support for gun control in this state. Either folks aren't contacting thier reps or they aren't listening. When did we start electing representatives from the coasts?
     
  8. browneu

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    Isn't this fee similar to a poll tax? Among other things it seems unconstitutional.

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  9. longknife12

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    Mokin.....contact with reps has been made......this bunch has a target in the sights and is listening to no one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    dan
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  10. CoRoMo

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    It's similar to a permit to carry, a FOID card, or California's DROS fees...

    ...it's all unconstitutional but I don't imagine that it will be struck down as such.
     
  11. cologuy

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    Pueblo CO Shooters!!

    I just got finished wasting my morning trying to attend a town hall meeting with Sen Giron. It was her regularly scheduled, monthly town hall meeting, which is usually an open forum type, but today they suddenly announced that they had a set agenda for this meeting, and the agenda did NOT include any 2A-type discussions. I'd guess there were about 65 pro-2A folks there, and at least Giron had the guts to come out and tell us herself that we wouldn't be allowed to speak. After about 20 minutes of listening to us in the hallway she agreed to hold another town hall meeting to discuss 2A matters specifically. She tentatively set it for next Saturday, the 23rd, and supposedly she'll have her staff e-mail and/or call several of us to confirm the time and location, in addition to posting it on her website. I'll post the info here as soon as I find out when/where.

    If you live anywhere in this area, please plan on being there. Sixty-five was a terrible showing, and I know we can do better. She's got to know that we're serious and numerous.
     
  12. longknife12

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    Same stuff that I ran into in Littleton last Saturday! Good luck.
    Dan
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    Its so retarded.. 15 round limit. And existing higher capacity mags will be grandfathered in. Who is going to stop anyone from driving an hour and a half to Cheyenne to buy 30 round mags and then claiming that they have owned them since pre ban??

    Also, Magpul has announced to pull out of Colorado if it comes into law... Goodbye some 800 jobs in Colorado and thanks Dem idiots for pushing this one through
     
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    Yes, there is a Colorado senate: They will rubber stamp it. Then its off to the governor for his signature.
     
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    Colo Guy. Nice of Sen Giron to schedule a meeting on the 23rd. All the bills will have been signed by the Governor by then.
     
  17. mokin

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    Maybe the loss of jobs, tourism, and real estate dollars will speak to some of the politicians in Denver. I find it interesting that the Democrats have chosen this issue to blindly follow, lock step, to (hopefully) thier demise.
     
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    The House will have the recorded vote tomorrow. Then it's on to the Senate.

    All we need is 5 (D)'s from the former or 3 (D)'s from the Senate to back us on any bill to get it stopped. THIS IS NOT OVER. Get writing and calling now!!!

    We already have one or two D's who have said they will oppose at least 1224.
     
  19. ClangClang

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    Does anyone have a full list of all the CO State Senators? I'd like to e-mail them en masse.
     
  20. MostlySurly

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    Just sent this one to Senator Nicholson...

    Senator,
    As I read about yesterday’s house vote on H1224, 1226, 1228, and 1229, I was, frankly, embarrassed to be from Colorado. Political posturing, ‘feel-good’ legislation, and overall ignorance of the real issues we face as Americans has got me real down.

    40 years I lived in Colorado, and I still keep property in Summit County, and I’m afraid my upcoming trip in May might be the last vacation I visit CO. I can’t stand the thought of spending all that money, paying taxes, and supporting an area that no longer respects the rights of law-aiding citizens. Our once proud heritage of firearms ownership in CO has been tossed under the bus.

    What, exactly, makes the legislature feel is going to compel a criminal to follow these new, superfluous laws proposed? Are criminals not, by nature, going to do whatever they want. Willfully, maliciously shooting someone is a crime, is it not? That’s what it boils down to. The ridiculous ideas in these bills will do absolutely nothing to deter the criminals. The campus carry one actually invites ne’er do wells to a place they know will show no resistance.

    Please don’t let these get through the Senate. Rather than letting emotion rule, please take the time to educate your fellow congress members about the truth. Turning CO into NY and CA is not the answer. I don’t spend any money in those states, and I encourage everyone I know to also avoid them.

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    Boise, ID / Breckenridge, CO

    I'm sorry about what has happened to my former home state, folks. I really am embarrassed for the folks who have allowed it to become so bad.
     
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    Thanks, MErl. I like the way the lists are broken down by party affiliation and election data.
     
  23. MikeG

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    I have just sent this to the Governor and a similar e-mail to my state Senator.

    Governor Hickenlooper 21 February 2013




    I am writing to ask you to vote against the gun control bills that may come out of the State Senate this coming Monday. These bills clearly stem from a rush of emotions after a couple of terrible crimes, and not from facts and law. Unfortunately, the causes of violence in our society are multiple and complex, and these bills would do little to nothing to resolve the problem.

    As H. L. Mencken said:
    “For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong.”

    What these bills will do is infringe on the Constitutional rights of many law abiding firearms owners like myself. I am aware that sometimes our rights must be limited by law. For example, the right to free speech does not entitle someone to yell 'fire' in a crowded theater. But in keeping with the principle of innocent until proven guilty, we can't presume anyone capable of yelling fire and duct tape their mouths as they present their tickets and enter the theater.

    Furthermore, knee-jerk reactions such as these bills are distract us and divert attention from solving the real causes of societal violence such as the dissolution of families, violent entertainment, and psychotropic medications. We need to address these real causes, rather than simply attempting to ban the implements that the criminals used. That solution won't work, because anything that can be used can be misused. Instead, we need to focus on identifying and addressing the troubled individuals who would do wrong.

    Lastly, it has been proven that gun control does not stem violence. Locations like Chicago, Illinois and California have extreme gun control laws. They have not made the residents any safer. But the multiplicity of flawed laws have made those places difficult to live and do business in. As a result, people and businesses are fleeing to better places, and those states are nearly bankrupt. Please don't start that process here in Colorado.

    Me
     
  24. Grunt

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    Done here too. Thanks for the link, Trent. I did inform him that since I live in Wyoming, my vote will mean nothing to his political career. However, I also did promise him that should these bills become law, my tourism money will be spent at home here in Wyoming, South Dakota, North Dakota, and Montana to name a few. I also will not buy products made in Colorado if there is a similar item made in a gun-friendly state. Might not make a difference in his decision but at least he knows your Northern neighbors got Colorado gun owner's back!!!
     
  25. Wolfebyte

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    Done from out of state.. contacted the Gov and explained my out of state status and the future of vacation and travel to Colorado where Texas currently shares reciprocity.

    Good luck Guys
     
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