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Mosbyranger
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The committee votes to get the bills to the floor of the Senate were all on party lines. Once the rest of the votes were counted informally and the results were assured, two very bad bills went away. Make no mistake, pressure counts. Dems will vote against these bills if what they are hearing from their districts is overwhelmingly against. It takes 18 Senate votes to get a measure passed, two Dems are against most of the proposals, several from redder districts are leaning towards keeping their seats even if it means not toeing the party line. Pressure works and pressure counts, keep pouring it on.
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You are only partly correct. Yes, they passed the house committee, house and senate committee on partly lines. There was much speculation that 2 dems were against a majority of the legislation. However, THEY FLIPPED. It has been reported and witnessed by people I know that were there yesterday, that the votes were right down party lines. 19 dems to 16 repubs. The two bills that didn't make it, we're killed by their own sponsors. Not by vote. You are right, the pressure is getting to them. The pressure from their own party, Bloomberg and his lobbyists, and Washington DC. And now they are even threatening the 23 county sheriffs that testified against the bills! I'm not saying give up the fight. But I am saying that there is some serious behind the scenes shenanigans going on! The deck is stacked against us. Obummer and Biden want to make an example out of us.
 
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don't give up and remember the ones who came up with these bills in the first place and who voted for them even if they do not become law. The next step is to get them out of office so they can do no harm again. Seems we wil have to keep up the pressure on them until 2014 and hoepfully get them out.
 
There was much speculation that 2 dems were against a majority of the legislation. However, THEY FLIPPED. It has been reported and witnessed by people I know that were there yesterday, that the votes were right down party lines. 19 dems to 16 repubs.
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There are 20 Democrats and 15 Republicans in the Colorado Senate. From the eyewitness accounts I got it was 18-17 as expected.

I suspect that the bills that were tabled were tabled because they knew they didn't have the vote. Sen Kefalas was against 1226.
 
They absolutely don't want a losing vote... that would be a nightmare in the upcoming election. They couldn't campaign on passing the bills (rallying their base) and the vulnerable senators and reps that voted in favor would still get hammered by their opposition in 2014 (even though they are sacrificial lambs either way, they vote no and they'll have a strong Bloomberg-funded primary challenger, vote yes and they'll have a strong Republican challenger).

Reading that DH article, I find it interesting that their Democrat Representative who voted for the mag ban now wants to raise the mag limit to 30-rounds... there is definitely some serious pressure being felt by these guys.

I am glad the campus carry ban didn't pass... that is the one bill that would have the most immediate and direct effect on individual safety.
 
Weird.

So, this goes back to the House. If Rep. Mike McLachlan then amends it in the House to bump it up to 30 rounds, does it have to make a trip back through the Senate for their approval of the new House amendment?
 
I'd imagine so. But I'm guessing there is NO WAY IN HELL, even though he is a (D) that he would get an amendment passed to it that makes the limit 30 rounds... it's more likely they won't pass such a thing and perhaps he changes his vote on the bill.
 
If they did manage to change it to 30-rounds... I'm certainly not looking forward to the discussions over whether "we" could rightfully declare it as a victory :cuss:

Regardless, I don't think the fire-breathing antis would acquiesce to a 30-round limit just to get something passed. 20 -maybe-, but the 30-round mag is way too symbolic.


edit - BGC's passed
 
I don't think you could call any arbitrary number, including those round drums that I happen to think are stupid, a victory for our side.

While I might not want one, a 250 round magazine is no more deadly than a bolt action rifle or a pocket knife. The user is the weapon.

That said, political reality might turn out different.
 
1224 passes 18-17. :banghead: Line up the trucks Magpul.

I am saddened to say the least. Especially by the tripe dribbling out of the Democrats about bipartisanship. Wow what a lack of courage. Hope the voters make them pay. Way to make a much of new criminals out of law abiding citizens.

Valiant effort to the Senators that stood up for our rights.
 
They have an agenda and a very narrow window. The large picture seems to show that to be a worldwide process as the printing machines destroy economies and we are criminalized.

The next months will be for the hardy.
 
To the decent people of CO. - stand strong. Many are praying for you.

Try to dissuade any ************ immigrants. Be rude to them if they are of non-free mentality. Try to win them over, but remember you are in a war for Freedom.

Good luck.
 
Please don't forget IT'S NOT OVER! All but 1228 were amended which means back to the house. KEEP THE HEAT UP! Never give up.
 
News coverage of the Senate passage is going to shake just a few more gun owners out of their activist slumber. Have them join you to hit the house hard with emails. Let the law makers hear the roar of discontent. It's not over guys. Good luck. If this is the end, make it such an end worthy of remembrance.
 
If any of these are signed into law, it gives me a reason not to visit the in-laws in Colorado Springs any more...

...I wish Coors would move out of Colorado as well.
 
Don't count us out yet. So far the fat lady (cough -Aurora) hasn't sung yet. I've heard there is lots of pressure on McLachlan these days.

We need to not only keep writing our representatives but also show support for the sheriffs who opposed these bills.
 
Keep on fighting, turn the House and Senate in 2014 and the Governor in 2016... Meanwhile, hopefully we'll have some opportunities to fight in the courts.
 
Well, a bitter disappointment. Thanks to Dem. Senators Tochtrop and Jahn for voting against the mag ban. Too bad we couldn't get one more (are you listening Giron of Pueblo?) Senate President Morse thinks that he has represented the will of the "vast majority" of Colorado. I guess we will find out in 2014. I'm afraid it will be very difficult to undo the mischief caused by these bills. Goodbye Magpul, and your jobs. Hope Wyoming enjoys the new revenue.
MR

On the + side, at least the "Campus rapist protection act" and the downstream liability bills were spiked. Scant consolation.
 
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