Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Colorado: "Reluctant officials must accept gun-permit forms"

Discussion in 'Legal' started by cuchulainn, May 8, 2003.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. cuchulainn

    cuchulainn Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    3,297
    Location:
    Looking for a cow that Queen Meadhbh stole
    from the Denver Post

    http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~61~1376556,00.html
     
  2. Monte Harrison

    Monte Harrison Member

    Joined:
    Jan 7, 2003
    Messages:
    253
    Location:
    Arkansas
    What is a "home rule city?" Seriously.
     
  3. Marko Kloos

    Marko Kloos Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2002
    Messages:
    2,587
    Location:
    Enfield, NH
    Yeah, it truly sucks when Mobocracy actually works against you for once.
     
  4. foghornl

    foghornl Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2002
    Messages:
    7,403
    Denver might well be a so-called "Home Rule' City, but I'd be willing to bet a flagon of Mead or 2 that the City of Denver still takes Fed & State funds...





    Lieing Socialist Scumbags:cuss: :cuss: :cuss: :cuss:
     
  5. Desertdog

    Desertdog Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    1,980
    Location:
    Ridgecrest Ca
    It will now be up to the Denver residents to learn if the crime rate goes down and to TRY to get the word out.
    We know from past experience that anti-gunners and the media will yell from the roof tops if crime rates go up, but not a whisper if it goes down.:fire:
     
  6. TallPine

    TallPine Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    7,734
    Location:
    somewhere in the middle of Montana
    It means that the U.S. Constitution is not recoginized inside the Denver city/county limits. Seriously (ask Rick Stanley).
     
  7. scottgun

    scottgun Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2002
    Messages:
    575
    Location:
    CO
    getting or taking isn't the problem, giving or allowing seems to be the problem. They will take your tax money, but won't allow you the Rights guaranteed by the US Constitution.

    Absolutely unbelievable that the City of Denver still thinks it can make its own rules even after people elect their represenatives and they pass laws on behalf of the people. This in on the State level, in order to eliminated inconsistencies with local ordinances, and they still won't recognize it. Wellington Webb is as crooked as they get. Disgusting.
     
  8. El Tejon

    El Tejon Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    18,085
    Location:
    Lafayette, Indiana-the Ned Flanders neighbor to Il
    HIP, HIP, HOORAY! Way to go, Red!:cool:
     
  9. Waitone

    Waitone Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    5,406
    Location:
    The Land of Broccoli and Fingernails
    Shoes do at time pinch, don't they?
     
  10. scottgun

    scottgun Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2002
    Messages:
    575
    Location:
    CO
    ElTejon and waitone, what are you talking about? How does that relate to this topic?
     
  11. El Tejon

    El Tejon Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    18,085
    Location:
    Lafayette, Indiana-the Ned Flanders neighbor to Il
    Scott, because Denver is now put in a box that it does not, cannot afford to be in. I'm loving every minute of watching them squirm.:cool:
     
  12. scottgun

    scottgun Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2002
    Messages:
    575
    Location:
    CO
    I see, said the blind man.
    Anyways to contact Mayor Webb via e-mail, his address is :
    mayorden@ci.denver.co.us

    Here's a copy of a message I sent, I realize it will do little if any good, other than voicing my point of view:


    Dear Mayor Webb,

    I find it appalling that the City of Denver refuses to recognize SB 25 passed by the State Legislature. The people of Colorado have made their intentions clear by electing Republicans who support our Second Amendment rights. This is on a State level. Your actions undermine the democratic process and the Freedom of this country.

    I would seriously urge you recognize SB 25 as it has been passed by the Colorado State Legislature.

    Thank you.
    A Concerned Citizen
     
  13. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    24,041
    Location:
    Idahohoho, the jolliest state
    Denver is to Colorado as cockroaches are to kitchens.
     
  14. Doc

    Doc Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2003
    Messages:
    457
    Location:
    Grosse Ile, Michigan
    Standing Wolf: you posted another one!

    So i guess Denver will be forced to cecede
    from the left coast :neener:

    Kinda reminescent of West Berlin...:what:
    at least from the liberal denverite perspective.

    Just think maybe next time I go to Colorado skiing i will be able to carry :evil:
     
  15. Doc

    Doc Member

    Joined:
    Apr 19, 2003
    Messages:
    457
    Location:
    Grosse Ile, Michigan
    i mean 'secede'

    never could spell
     
  16. Erik

    Erik Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    1,660
    Location:
    USA
    "What is a "home rule city?" Seriously."

    The framers of the State Contstitution wrote the City and County of Denver into the Constitution as a "home rule" entity.

    So as preposterous as Denver's stance sounds, it is a legal one.

    Caveat: The matter has apparently never been played out in court. (?) Maybe that will finally change.
     
  17. general

    general Member

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2003
    Messages:
    442
    Location:
    Safely tucked into the shadow of NORAD
  18. Desertdog

    Desertdog Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    1,980
    Location:
    Ridgecrest Ca
    Frankly, we will be scr*wed until, and unless, there is a much greater number of pro-gun candidates elected to office.
     
  19. Diesle

    Diesle Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    495
    Location:
    MN, USA
    Its fun to watch em sqirm!

    Diesle
     
  20. Don Gwinn

    Don Gwinn Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2002
    Messages:
    6,385
    Location:
    Virden, IL
    Well, quasi-legal, at any rate. I never quite understood how Denver became exempt from the Federal Constitution, even if it was exempted by the state Constitution (at the time of the Stanley trial, I read the CO Constitution and didn't find any home-rule provision for Denver, but obviously I missed it.)
     
  21. Jim March

    Jim March Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    8,732
    Location:
    SF Bay Area
    No, the city's stance is flat-out wrong.

    'Kay, here's the sitrep:

    Colorado's constitution of 1876 very clearly set up an individual right to arms, including an absolute right to open-carry a handgun, BUT limits could be placed on concealed carry.

    The "home rule process" was set up later, early 20th century I think, and while it gave such towns a lot more control, it contained a clause saying that citizens of such cities CANNOT be stripped of any pre-existing rights under the state (or Fed) constitutions by "home rules".

    Hence all of the Denver-specific rules that violate the RKBA are illegal. Every - single - one - of them.

    I did all the research on this when Rick Stanley's thing first blew up. Since then, the Colorado Supreme Court has mentioned in another case that when Rick Stanley's challenge to the "home rule gun laws" comes up to them, he WILL win. I've seen a copy of that opinion, Rick brought it with him to Counterattack.
     
  22. general

    general Member

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2003
    Messages:
    442
    Location:
    Safely tucked into the shadow of NORAD
    Jim -
    You're talking about Stanley's carry thing at the Capitol right?
    I was wondering what the status was on that. Heard somone at the monthly PPFC meeting talking about it, but never did get the info.
    Thanks for the info.
     
  23. Jim March

    Jim March Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    8,732
    Location:
    SF Bay Area
    Obviously this full understanding of the "home rule" process affects Rick Stanley, and it's now guaranteed he'll never see jail for his open-carry protest in Denver.

    Rick actually didn't do enough research before his protest and first trial; at his first trial, he should have quoted the portion of the "home rule amendment" in the state const. that bans "home rule" from restricting any personal right. See also:

    http://www.thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=113652&perpage=25

    The real details (incl. quotes from various CO constitutions) are in my post, page 2.
     
  24. general

    general Member

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2003
    Messages:
    442
    Location:
    Safely tucked into the shadow of NORAD
    Jim -
    Thanks. Glad you're around to help us clearly understand these things.
    :)
     
  25. TarpleyG

    TarpleyG Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2002
    Messages:
    2,981
    Location:
    North Carolina
    Surely this moron is joking, right? Would this be like the norm that has occured everywhere else that they have shall-issue or are people in Colorado not like the rest of the country? Come on. I'd bet that no more than 5% of the licensed carriers carry daily anywhere in the country. Most folks find it too cumbersome and inconvenient. It's not easy to tote a gun around with you all the time AND keep it hidden.

    GT
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page