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Colorado University to Segregate Dorm for Students with Gun Permits

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Hypnogator, Aug 17, 2012.

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  1. USAF_Vet

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    Which dorms will be targeted for burglary during class hours?

    This reeks of a privacy invasion and discrimination. On the surface, gun nuts might like it, but segregation is segregation. Do we really need to go back to the Seperate but Equal days?
     
  2. Derry 1946

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    The court opinion concludes: "In sum, we hold that the CCA divests the Board of Regents of its authority to regulate concealed handgun possession on Campus." (Opinion Par. 30.). That does not sound like a prescription for segregated housing or requiring students to keep guns in a safe. Would have been a lot simpler if the state legislature had expressly divested the Board of its authority in the statute. The university policy equates concealed carry with creating an atmosphere
    of intimidation. Sounds like further litigation is likely.
     
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    I've always wondered what would happen if we took the US and divided it in half. One half gets Alaska gun laws, the other half gets NYC gun laws. See which side has a larger portion of the population, and which side has more crime.
     
  4. 4v50 Gary

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    Well then, there's going to be a crime free zone on campus. The muggings and rapes will occur elsewhere while the armed students will remain unmolested.
     
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    Those were adults.
    Perhaps if they were expected to act like adults, instead of being infantalized by the educational system, they would act like adults.

    You're 18 years old, you're an adult. Being "in college" doesn't negate that, no matter how many school administrators want you to believe otherwise. Those "kids" can vote, sign contracts, join the military, get married, rack up crushing debts, have a job, pay taxes, operate 3000# motorized battering rams in public, make their own medical choices, and even occasionally show up in class. Just because some of them are too sheltered/stupid/indoctrinated to realize it, they're still adults. Disarming them is unconstitutional, foolish, and unenforceable.
    Of course the criminals LOVE it, having a ready supply of helpless victims incapable of self-sufficiency means that there's always a drunk to roll, always something to rape, always a car to jack ... just look for a clueless 18-22 year old "semi-adult" and intimidate them, followed by low-effort profit.
     
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    Bet I know which dorm I wouldn't play Rammstein at 2am in...

    I wonder how often the fire department (and the police, who just happen to be there) will be entering these dorms. At my school, at least twice a week some idiot burned popcorn (or smoked pot), which set off the fire alarm, prompting a mandatory evacuation for ~30min. Meanwhile, the fire department (and police, who, again, just happened to be around) checked all rooms for non-evacuees (yeah, I'm sure that's why :rolleyes:) before declaring the building "safe" for us. This usually happend around 10pm, too, for some reason :cuss:. Not a huge deal for the unarmed, but if I had a gun in the room, I'd have not appreciated unattended strangers sauntering in with regularity.

    At least off campus, the land-lord needs a maintenance reason to enter, and police need a warrant.

    TCB

    Mexico, anyone? And Canada needs to ban, in addition to its guns, objects sharper than a boiled egg; they've been finding too many people cut to bits up there lately. Guns don't dismember people, people...well you get the idea :uhoh:
     
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    ^I'm with this guy^


    Also...I grew up in a state where:

    Colleges were not off limits
    18 was the minimum age for a carry license
    Carry licenses were shall issue with no training requirement
    Bars were not off limits
    Drinking while carrying was not illegal
    The state was probably top 3 in terms of % of population licensed to carry

    Guess what...it wasn't a problem!
     
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    Post of the Year. :)
     
  9. natman

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    What's next, separate drinking fountains?
     
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    No one applied for the graduate dorm with the carry rooms.
     
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    I reckon it's still back to the idea that the few people who are over 21 and have permits probably live off campus.
     
  13. Warp

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    Probably.

    It's too bad Colorado doesn't issue permits at the age of 18. :(
     
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    Much ado...
     
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    Who in their right mind would want to be in a dorm full of drunk frat-rats, who also happen to carry? Any takers?
     
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    I find this troubling. By doing so, all students with guns are identified and their persons/rooms thereby become targets for theft. For people..criminals...to use to acquire firearms illegally.

    I think that this retribution...yes punishment IMO....by the school could very well backfire on them. To stigmatize them. And yet, they would still blame the legitimate gun-owning students for any gun thefts (which the institution practically wrote an invitation for).
     
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    I would be more than happy to live in a dorm with licensed carriers.

    Your "drunk frat-rats" comment, though, reeks of the emotional drivel commonly spewed by anti gun individuals who do not have facts on their side.

    *I'm pretty sure I did live in a dorm with licensed carriers, as I went to Purdue, where the minimum age to be issued a carry license is 18. Oh, and bars were legal for carry. In fact, drinking while carrying was legal.

    If there have been a bunch of problems with "drunk frat-rats", well, I guess I somehow am not aware. You'll have to do the honor of filling me in. ;)


    Can you show examples of college students, under the influence of alcohol, who are licensed carriers, doing something dangerous with their handguns?
     
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    The dorm was for graduate students and would have had rooms for permit holders.
    Folks with background checks and older than average students who've made a commitment beyond spending mommy's and daddy's money as the next thing to do after high school. The average unfocused college kids aren't who you're going to see there.
     
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    Frats usually have their own dorms and/or housing. It would likely be separate. As noted though, your stereotype about "Frat-rats" toting guns is just as off-base and misinformed as those who think carriers are all a bunch of "Rednecks with guns".

    The rednecks aren't as dumb as they think they are, and those "Frat-rats" aren't quite as immature is you think either.
     
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    Sounds like a rousin' good time to me.. just a bunch of "crazy" gun nuts thrown into the same building for all the "enlightened" students to avoid..
     
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    I went to CU in the late 80s/early 90s for my PhD in EE. I lived in that dorm (the one for grad students and non-traditional [older, generally] students). We had some undergrads, but generally not freshmen/sophomores. It was pretty nice. Too bad I don't need to go back :)
     
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    I'm in with the view that still living on campus at age of 21 is not where it's at.
     
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    so can we have a dorm that only black people can use because it "protects" them from the rest of the school population?
    However you want to word it, it's discrimination to create separate conditions for different people.
     
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    Since I went to college primarily to get a degree and not party (geek is spelled with double-E :D) I moved into private, QUIET off-campus housing at the first opportunity.

    Had there been an option to live with other grad students, who very likely have outgrown the undergrad stupidity, I would have jumped at the chance.
     
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    Last article I read on this nobody signed up for the dorm
     
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