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Colt 1860 authentic

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by pwillie, Apr 3, 2013.

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  1. pwillie

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    I found a pair of Colt BP Authenic's new in the box.How can I tell if hey are 1st,2nd,or 3rd generation? They are in their original boxes...Help,what am I looking at? 44 ca.
     
  2. pwillie

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    Anyone know?
     
  3. pohill

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    Probably not 1st Generations.
    3rd Generations will have Sam Colt engraved on the backstrap.
    Do you have any more info or pics?
     
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    If these pistols are new in the box they are quite valuable,IF they are original guns. So you are at a crossroads. As far as value they would easily be $3000 apiece, and that would be a great deal ay that price. But when you go to re sell them you are going to have the pistols appraised and authenticated to make any money on them.
    Or you tip your hand to the owner and ask him if they have been appraised and if not, would he object to having them appraised. After they are appraised it likely will be a deal breaker.
    I would advise that you do some research on these, because the chances are quite slim that they are new in the box, unless they come out of a museum. At that time period they were in great demand and cost to much to put away in the closet. I suspect they are replicas which is a whole different story
     
  5. Fingers McGee

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    Black and gold box with gray foam rubber inserts and with "Authentic Colt Blackpowder Series" on the box top and gold label make them 2nd Gens made between 1978 and 1982.

    NIB value is somewhere around $800 ea, but they've been going for much less on GB.
     
  6. Jim K

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    Colt claimed that if they produced, finished, assembled, or authorized production of repro revolvers, they were "authentic" and merely a resumption of production. IMHO, repros are repros no matter what Colt said.

    Jim
     
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    proof maks should prove that out too. more than likly euroarms proof marks. Just assembled here in the US Not even by Colt Just licenssed by colt.
     
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    Which were the ones Uberti made for them?
     
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    And No there is NOT a proof mark on any of the Colt Black powder series whether it is a second generation C series, a second generation F series or a Signature Series, meaning they were assembled here in the U.S. of A. Some of the parts, mostly the bits were made overseas but not all of them some were made here.

    Pleeeease stop spreading this BS!!
     
  10. pwillie

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    Mystery solved...3rd generation....One had a brass guard,and he other a chrome guard...
     
  11. Cosmoline

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    OK, so at what point were the Colt cap and balls being made by Uberti? Because I've heard of the later ones as "Uberti Colts" and they sure look like Ubertis.
     
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    Uberti supplied some or all of the part sets for the 2nd generation and 3rd generation Colt Percussion revolvers. Now I think this is where the confusion starts as the cartridge SAA’s are being built in Italy and are being “Proofed” as required and stamped as required but none of the Colt percussion revolvers were built overseas so none are stamped with a proof mark.:)

    On my 2nd and 3rd Generation Colt percussion revolvers there is no proof mark on the outside of that revolver anywhere even under the loading lever.
     
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    So they were assembled by Colt and finished stateside?
     
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    C series were assembled, finished and shipped from Colt's Hartford plant. F series were assembled and finished by Iver Johnson in NJ (towards the end of the run, some were actually assembled in Arkansas). C and F series 2nd Gens were marketed, sold and warranted by Colt's. They will letter.

    Sig Series (3rd Gen) Colt BP were assembled, finished, marketed, sold, and warranted by Colt Blackpowder Arms Co. in Brooklyn NY under license from Colt's. They will not letter

    They all started out as parts sets acquired from US and European manufacturers.

    http://archives.gunsandammo.com/content/cap--ball-resurrection?page=1
     
  15. Crawdad1

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    Yes Sir!!
    I still think the confusion comes from the newer SSAs currently being produced by Uberti. Those are assembled overseas and have to be ‘Proofed’ and marked accordingly. The older Colt percussion revolvers regardless of being a 2nd Generation or 3rd were assembled here, so there is no proof mark just the Colt stamps.:)
     
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    Colt SAA's have never been made in Italy.
     
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    I stand corrected. Colt's SAA has always been built right here in America. And if I could I would go up and delete that statement from my previous post.
     
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