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Colt 1911 XSE Commander- Round Count Updated from Time to Time

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by cyclopsshooter, Oct 16, 2011.

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  1. para38super

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    So what magazines are you using with this new pistol?
     
  2. cyclopsshooter

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    Same mags I used with the Combat, and after much delay I will be ordering mag springs for the factory 8 rd mags tomorrow... unless I forget to add them to the Brownells order... again... :eek:
     
  3. cyclopsshooter

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    Customer test fire 8 rounds

    LIGHTWEIGHT COMMANDER (First 200 not shot by me)
    Round count: 300
    Pistol failures: 0
    Mag related failures: 0
    Shooter related failures: 0
    Ammo related failures: 0
     
  4. cyclopsshooter

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    50 more rounds back in the range, goofed around one handed and two handed- center man-

    LIGHTWEIGHT COMMANDER (First 200 not shot by me)
    Round count: 350
    Pistol failures: 0
    Mag related failures: 0
    Shooter related failures: 0
     
  5. pops91710

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    It's still the most beautiful semi-automatic handgun ever made.
     
  6. cyclopsshooter

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    Yes they are :)

    Shot 50 stinky rounds of Wolf- one bolt over base failure- guess this older factory 8 that came with the pistol needs a spring too..

    LIGHTWEIGHT COMMANDER (First 200 not shot by me)
    Round count: 400
    Pistol failures: 0
    Mag related failures: 1
    Shooter related failures: 0
     
  7. cyclopsshooter

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    Customer borrowed the pistol, 32rnds

    LIGHTWEIGHT COMMANDER (First 200 not shot by me)
    Round count: 432
    Pistol failures: 0
    Mag related failures: 1
    Shooter related failures: 0
     
  8. cyclopsshooter

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    20 rounds walking pop cans-

    LIGHTWEIGHT COMMANDER (First 200 not shot by me)
    Round count: 452
    Pistol failures: 0
    Mag related failures: 1
    Shooter related failures: 0
     
  9. para38super

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    Bad magazines are the biggest cause of 1911 malfunctions.
     
  10. chieftain

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    SHhhhhhhhh! Don't say that out loud.

    Many Glock folks don't know that magazine failure is biggest cause of Glock malfunctions too. Now that there are off brand magazines available for Glocks there will be even more jams for them to look forward to. And even more problems for the Glock 36 too.

    No matter what bottom feeder you use/carry, change your springs on schedule. I liken gun spring changes to changing the oil in your car. Better to often than not often enough. At least follow the Manufacturers recommendation. It IS NOT always in the owners manual, you usually have to call the manufacturer.

    And believe me, cleaning and maintaining you weapon is not optional nor should it be occasional.

    Go figure.

    Fred
     
  11. cyclopsshooter

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    And then there were seven.

    Received an order of Wolf +5% springs and have them installed. Here is a photo of the difference. We will see how well they do-

    Are these mags made by Checkmate? Col. Colt, I think these are the same as yours.

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  12. cyclopsshooter

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    NO Failures yet with the new Wolf springs!

    Swapped out the full length guide rod for a standard setup.

    fired 23 rounds of random ammo, including one mag of critical defense and one mag of Magtec ball. both at 10 yards from my crappy little rest.

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    LIGHTWEIGHT COMMANDER (First 200 not shot by me)
    Round count: 475
    Pistol failures: 0
    Mag related failures: 1
    Shooter related failures: 0
     
  13. JTQ

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    Looks like the CheckMate "C" on the base plate, and CheckMate's patented follower (CMF), so I would say CheckMate.

    I had been under the impression Wolff's springs wouldn't fit with the CMF. It must work OK since you are using it.
     
  14. cyclopsshooter

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    The catch loop at the head of the Wolf spring IS different than the OEM spring. It does not seat into that little lip hook under the follower like the OEM spring does. But it does seat just forward of the lip. Close enough, in tandem with a firm spring and the Checkmate skirt I do not foresee any issue. So far the updated mags are working flawlessly.

    Funny, I always thought that "C" on the floor plate meant Colt. Has it always been Checkmate?

    Have always ASSumed that the "M" was Mecgar.. ??

    Oh, the factory 8 that came with the lightweight has a shooting star follower with no catch lip or skirt... I don't trust it worth beans.. even if I did I'm not sure I'd want to use it in an aluminum frame.
     
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    Good guess, but wrong.

    Metalform.

    Good luck, I am enjoying your diary.

    Thank you.

    Fred
     
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    Also the new springs should have changed the capacity to 7rds instead of 8rds as it did before. The spring does not seat properly so it wont hold 8rds. Atleast thats from my experience. The shooting star follower should be fine for the all steel commander, thats what my Colt came with. After replacing the springs they have worked great.
     
  17. cyclopsshooter

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    Thanks for the info Fred, I'm enjoying the thread too.

    Customer borrowed the lightweight- 50 rounds

    LIGHTWEIGHT COMMANDER (First 200 not shot by me)
    Round count: 525
    Pistol failures: 0
    Mag related failures: 1
    Shooter related failures: 0
     
  18. cyclopsshooter

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    Regarding Metal Injection Molding (MIM)

    From the mouth of Colt today. The only MIM parts on their current 1911s are the sear, disconnector, and mag catch (including lock). Grip and thumb safeties are cast steel, even the ambi ones. This has been a public service announcement.

    What brings this up is that I have changed out the sear and disconnector (wilso combat) and the mag catch (ed brown) (lock from EGW) on both the Rail Gun and the Combat Commander. It may very well have been a foolish waste of money, especially since one pistol has never been shot and the other is suffering a huge decrease in its lead diet. But the warm fuzzy I have now is priceless :D

    My decision was largely based on past threads and sage words scribed by Fuff , Tuner, and others. Some may wonder why I didn't do it to the Lightweight and I'm included... :scrutiny:

    I have seen MIM parts break, usually smaller parts.. But I also buy the argument that all MIM is not created equal. Part of me wants to run a high round count with the Colt MIM (and the aluminum receiver.. I'm damn curious how that will hold up over the long haul)

    On the other side, a part of me thinks I'm crazy for trusting my life to something that's not the best. Glocks and M&Ps have the back of their officer every day and do it well-- but these modern guns are designed differently.. ( a modern engine will run great with a catalytic converter but the older engine designs choked on them when they first came out)

    1911s are just different... They should be high grade steel. IMHO YMMV

    Anyway, the lightweight stays MIM for the time being. I appreciate any comments.


    Edit: Gave it a field strip wipe down and re-lube tonight. The Lightweight is feeling smoother now in slide and trigger than it did at the 200 round mark. The trigger had a reliable short creep but now only happens about one in five pulls. No plans to do anything about it in the near.. The the Rail Gun and especially the Combat Commander had crisp factory triggers. The new Wilson sears are also crisp.. up to about 97.5% of crisp.. The Rail gun had a slight improvement and I expect good things from it after some dry firing. Same with the Combat which now feels exactly as it did when it first came out of the box. FWIW Not all new Colts that come through my shop have these nicer triggers... Sometimes a perk of the job is a cherry pick :p It's about 50/50 for the Colts with some downright spongy and gross... Had one particularly bad Wiley Clapp and another Clapp that pulled like a Gold Cup.

    On another note, the 5" barrel that I fitted (is "fitted" a word?) to the Combat does not work in the Lightweight. I can't get the slide lugs to engage. Don't know if its the lugs or the hood lip. The Lightweight is a few years older than the Combat and I have read that Colt bought some new tooling in the last few years.. Is my difficulty a result of the tooling change or are Lightweights cut differently? (I doubt it, in my experience Colt parts interchange very well)
     
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    The Combat and its little bro-

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    Cute!
     
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    Customer rented the Lightweight. 50 rounds in three of the mags with new springs. No problems.

    LIGHTWEIGHT COMMANDER (First 200 not shot by me)
    Round count: 575
    Pistol failures: 0
    Mag related failures: 1
    Shooter related failures: 0
     
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    Customer rented the Lightweight. 41 rounds No problems.

    LIGHTWEIGHT COMMANDER (First 200 not shot by me)
    Round count: 616
    Pistol failures: 0
    Mag related failures: 1
    Shooter related failures: 0
     
  23. chieftain

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    You do clean the weapon after every use, don't you?

    PS If you are wondering where I am coming from, besides my two tours in Vietnam 3rdMarDiv, I was a DI in the early 70's too. Cleaning guns is my contribution to the survival cabal, and some folks think I am OCD about it. I could live with that.

    Really do enjoy your diary.

    Good luck.

    Fred
     
  24. cyclopsshooter

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    Fred, I understand completely where you are coming from. I too am an anal clean freak when it comes to *most* of my firearms. Anything that is more collection than shooter gets detailed cleaned (and I MEAN detail cleaned) for long term storage. I go way beyond the general field stripping, every single part is spotless and carefully given a light coating of Rig Grease.
    My dozen or so regular shooters (rifles, shots, revolvers, semi-autos) get a regular field strip and cleaning if I do not expect to shoot them again soon. I have two glaring failures right now.. The Lightweight (replacing the Combat) and my M&P40c... These two, along with an LCP in my pocket round out 98% of my firearm carrying. All three are also used as demo guns at work. (An indoor range is a very useful sales tool :D ) The LCP is the one that is on me all the time. If my pants are on, I'm armed!! (If I'm packing the M&P or the Colt, it means I have two guns on me) Though I do loan out the LCP for sales trials (kinda wish I had thought to do a thread on that one!) The LCP gets cleaned regularly on account of pocket lint. The Colt and the M&P get shot A LOT (by my standards anyway :rolleyes: some of you guys on here... :eek: ) The M&P has been as reliable as a Glock and only gets cleaned when "I think" its dirty enough.. probably every 200 rounds but at times that number can be 500... I admit to being a dumb-a$$ with the M&P.
    The Colts on the other hand... I was careful who I handed the Combat to because it was new.. It still looks really good... But I wanted to do out of the box reliability testing so I let the cleaning go a few hundred rounds. I had every intention to begin a regular cleaning cycle for it once it was proven reliable. It has passed with flying colors but it got eclipsed from carry duty by the lightweight. I have absolutely NO intention of parting with the Combat- It is a beautiful pistol with a proven record and I would stake my life on it. Right now the Combat is in limbo with a really good field strip cleaning. I have yet to determine whether it will get detail cleaned and put into long term storage or if I will keep it at hand for the occasional silencer duty... (I have a few friends and customers with cans and Id like to be able to use them on one of my own guns.) The 5" barrel mentioned earlier in the thread is set up for the Combat but does not work in the Lightweight... I have been debating for a while whether to try to fit the barrel to the Lightweight.. but part of me is screaming to not risk permanently messing the barrel up by tinkering any further... :uhoh:
    Being that I really can't afford to blow more that 100 rounds at a time I think the lightweight is going to be used for most of my range time... It does kick more than a steel framed gun but its not so bad for the first few boxes. If I plan to shoot any more than that I'd probably shoot my older Combat Elite. The Elite is one of those poor-mans Gold Cups, but it was done by a competent smith. Nice shooter! Anyway, back to the Lightweight.. The Lightweight has been a flawless gun for my 300+ rounds, and for what its worth, the original owner said he ran a flawless 200... with my experience with the Combat and how that man handled business, I'm inclined to believe him. So soon I will pass judgement on the Lightweight... I may want this current run to go 500 rounds before I clean again and start doing it regularly. I have swapped out a few parts, the recoil system and the thumb safety... I would like to make sure everything finds home.
     
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    I gave my youngest daughter a new, (80 series) Combat Elite on her 21st birthday a few years ago. It was her request. She stands 4'10" but prefers the full size government 45acp. I gave her a Springfield EMP for CCW/EMP purposes. She comes with me to either of my weekly club matches to shoot too.

    As to not cleaning those guns. Understand I would be required under regulations to the "Sgt's Mutual Benevolent Society" rules of my era to vibrate and shout loud obscene things at you.

    Good luck.

    Fred
     
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