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Colt 22 RF AR-15

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Gunther, Mar 19, 2009.

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  1. Gunther

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    Colt showed a 22 RF AR-15 at the Shot Show, has anyone seen or bought one yet or was it Vaporware???
     
  2. snake guy

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    I've seen them listed on-line (but not yet in stock) at a couple of places, so think it is real. There is also a S&W MP-15 in .22 LR as well

    Here is an example for the Colt:

    https://www.rrarms.com/catalog.php?prod=GM16
     
  3. Baron

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    I bought one today :) It's cute - when I saw it I thought it was a regular AR with a 40-round mag as it's longer than a 30-rounder, that's when I noticed the spacer things in the port. It seems to be the M4 variant of the GSG. Fired about 150 rounds through it with a few FTEs and misfires using somewhat crappy bulf Wal-mart ammo - when I got home and read the manual I noticed that it's got an adjustment for bolt speed, so I'll slow the bolt down a bit to give the ejecting brass time to clear, and that will hopefully end the FTEs. As to FTFs, that can only be the ammo's fault, so I won't blame the gun.

    All that said, I did shoot two or three full mags without a stoppage. It seemed to be fairly accurate. One nice plus was that the barrel seems to start 1.5" sooner than on a regular AR, so it appears to be a 14.5" barrel even though it's 16" - every mall ninja's wildest faux-NFA fantasy. Came with a removable carry handle that appears to be a standard AR carry handle. Fit and finish are great - just FYI it is only Colt's license; it's actually made my Walter in Germany, so it's still a quality piece. I paid $549 before tax/background check. It was an impulse buy but I'm glad I did. Basically, it feels and shoots just like a regular AR (complete with the somewhat gritty and heavy trigger). Great trainer and fun gun. The muzzle braze does screw off to reveal what appear to be 1/4"x28 threads - I hope I can find an adapter that will allow me to attach my 1/2"x28 suppressor.

    Another cause for mall ninja ecstasy is that in order to fire, you must move the selector switch 180 degrees to where full auto would be on an M4.

    Also, it's wonderful to get a semi .22 with a 30 round mag; further, it's easy to load. Great little gun.
     
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    I have seen them at my local shop. Not 100% sold on them yet. they feel pretty cheap, not near the quality of a GSG or similar. However It is tempting.
     
  6. ParaElite

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    I was at the gun show last weekend and saw the AR in 22 lr which is made in Germany and Colt, for a small sum, allowed them to use their name. What whores! What the heck was Colt thinking? A quick buck made from desperate gun buyers? That product is a piece of crap, visually and materially.
    You are better off, buying a dedicated upper made by Spike or others. There are air soft products out there that are better than this piece of crap!

    The Alder Jager looked like a much better product with no pretensions! A pity, because I don't believe you can get it any longer.
     
  7. Lloyd Smale

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    there made by walthers and are not junk. My buddy picked one up the other day and has run about 500 rounds of mixed ammo though his and it hasnt missed a beat and is very accurate. Makes more sense to me to buy a dedicated .22 ar then a conversion. the whole gun cost about the same as a conversion and is designed from the git go to be a 22 and is going to be more reliable and accurate then any conversion
     
  8. Baron

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    PE, you either saw a bad example or are just crazy. I own a DPMS, Rock River, S&W M&P-15, and four Sabre Defense ARs. And, of course, a Colt/Walther .22. I wouldn't have a problems saying that visually and materially it is on par with these other guns. The hiccups mine experienced were likely due to the setting of the bolt speed, which I will address ONCE I CAN ACTUALLY GET THE PINS OUT OF THE LOWER RECEIVER; let me spell that out again. The gun is so tight that I am unable to remove the pin from the lower to facilitate disassembly. The mark of crap? I think not.

    This gun is an outstanding idea for all the reasons stated by LS. And if you think Walther is crap, you ought to shoot a few Walthers before you callously accuse Colt of whoring.
     
  9. Rubber_Duck

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    I got to check one of these new Colt rimfires today and I have to say I was very impressed with the feel. The selector moves all the way back 180 degress as if you were moving it to the AUTO position on a regular select-fire carbine and the barrel seems to start farther back so from the outside it appears to be a true 14.5" M4 barrel. Pretty cool!! The whole gun felt sturdy with no looseness or rattles at all, however when I flick my finger against the metal receiver it didn't quite feel like a normal AR. Pot metal perhaps? Also, the mags look funky.

    I like that everything feels and operates like the full-size 5.56mm AR, and I'd like to see how it compares to a regular 5.56mm AR-15 equipped with a Spike's 22 conversion kit. The price for the one I saw here today was $650, a bit steep IMO.
     
  10. WoofersInc

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    I picked up one of these today. I am impressed with it. Fit and finish are very good. Feels just like a standard AR. I paid $550 plus tax so they are right were they anticipated the pricing. One nice feature for me was that the flash hider screws off and a thread adapter for a Walther P22 fits perfectly letting me use my suppressors for it. I ran a full mag of subsonics through it suppressed and had 0 malfunctions. I did not have time to test any further though. Another nice feature is that bolt speed is adjustable for various bullet velocities.
    They are going to sell a ton of these things without a doubt.
     
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    thats funny, I put my ar-15 bird cage on my P22 as a joke
     
  12. Baron

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    Update - after frequent stovepipes with cheapo Federal brick .22, I began playing with the adjustable bolt speed. I adjusted it about as much as humanly possible but couldn't get it to be reliable. Tried about 20 rounds of Winchester "333" and had no malfunctions, so I'm thinking that better quality (higher cost) ammo is the answer as usual.

    Here's my question, particularly for Woofers - if this thing will demand higher-velocity ammo, is there any hope of finding ammo that will make it run yet stay subsonic? Minimags will run about anything (heck, they run my Mosquito) but of course they'll be supersonic out of a 16" barrel. Any luck, anybody?
     
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    Uhh...no they ain't. They are made by Umarex, the parents company of walther. Unlike walther though, umarex has a bad rep with guns.
     
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    Well, regardless of that, it's safe to assume the Colt and the S&W are both the same gun with different names on them then?

    S&W = Walther U.S.A. = Umarex = Colt???

    rc
     
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    Probably close enough...a few design changes, just for patent stuff, most likely.

    This is how i understand it...S&W imports for walther, Umarex makes the guns under Walthers name. Colt decided they didn't wanna touch a .22lr AR, and so had Umarex do it, cause Umarex is good at copying designs...
     
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    Saw them at a gun store today. Didn't even know they were being produced. At first I thougt it was a 6920 until I saw the price tag and then the caliber marked on the tag. I was tempted to get one as a cheap (ammo) training aid to my 6920. Good thing I didn't according to this thread they are going for around $550. The store I was at wanted $649.
     
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    Assuming you have an AR, Why get such a :barf: for $$:what:$$ when you could get a nice designated .22 upper for the same or less money?

    Or, you could just get a converter such as being put out by Spikes, CMMG and Ciener for about $200. I have a Ciener that works great in my POF upper. It's at 3,000+ rounds with no problems that were not ammo related.

    If you don't have an AR, I would buy a 10/22 and tart it up with aftermarket "bling" to make it AR-esque before I would buy one of the Colt imports.
     
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    So far mine has been running on the Remington Subsonics. I had to play with the bolt speed a little, but now it is doing just fine with them.
     
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    From what I've been told, no. The S&W is supposedly going to be US made. Supposedly Umarex negotiated the Colt contract and pissed S&W off in the process. I'll believe it for sure when I see one of the S&W's delivered.
     
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    :what:They are nice, I looked at one the other day but it had a $999.00 price tag on it. Nothing like an honest shop/:what::what::what::what:
     
  21. .45Guy

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    There are two of them at ye local gonne shoppe for ~$590
     
  22. WoofersInc

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    Not the same guns at all. The Colt is a metal body/receiver. According to the spec sheets, the S&W is going to be an all polymer receiver.

    Time to find a new shop. I paid $549 for mine at a shop here in Vegas. The gun show last weekend had a bunch of them with most being priced at under $600.
     
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    Umarex = airsoft distributor/manufacturer.
    Colt M-4 .22LR = Umarex made using Walther made barrel.
     
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    I bought the one through my local FFL ....supposed to get here next week by Wed. ---I hate waiting....

    I looked at one he'd sold another guy and liked it quite a bit. At $550 I think it's a helluva good deal.
     
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