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Colt Buffs... Help Needed, Please. Is This REAL

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by DogBonz, Nov 7, 2006.

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  1. DogBonz

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    Is this a real colt "Rampant Colt" marking? I found a slide for sale and the person claims that it is from a 1945 Colt made 1911, but I'm iffy, as it does not look like any Colt marking that I have ever seen.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks,
    Fred
     

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    That simply reeks of counterfeit, IMO.
     
  4. Hawk

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    Looks kinda like a staunton pattern knight on a potato.
    With legs.

    Interesting.
     
  5. DogBonz

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    that's what i thought

    Thats why me no buyie.
     
  6. Leanwolf

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    In addition to the cartoonish pony, the stamping of the company and address, is irregular.

    L.W.
     
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    do you have a full pic of the slide both right and left side.
    That looks like the colt from a 1945 .45
     
  8. DogBonz

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    this is the only other pic

    that the guy sent me:

    It looks a bit "stick figure-ish"
     

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  9. Rumble

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    I am not an expert on Colts, but I found this picture:

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    At a place called "coolgunsite.com," which discusses the frame and slide markings. The markings on the gun you saw is pretty close, but the horses don't match--the one you saw isn't, for lack of a better word, as "good." However...it could be the real deal. Perhaps they decided to assume that a horse was a sphere, to make the math easier. :)
     
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    Phony.
    The Colt Pony NEVER looked like that.
     
  11. Rumble

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    I just noticed that if you look closely at the slide you saw, you can see that the lines on the pony are a series of small dots, which leads me to believe that (contrary to my previous comment that it might be real) it was drawn with one of those etching pens or a Dremel-style whatsit, rather than stamped in the frame by a stamping whatsit.
     
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    Thanks everyone

    I was really skeptical, because I have NEVER seen a pony like that, but I thought that I would check with our resident Colt buffs before giving the seller my final NO.

    Does any one know if Colt stamped any of their slides “Gov’t property” or any thing like that, or was that just the frames?
     
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    Looks more like "My Little Pony" than "Rampant Colt"!!!!!:neener:
     
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    berettaman

    That's GREAT! You almost owed me a keyboard.
     
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    Here is a 1944 Colt and a 1945 Colt. I don't have a close up on the 1945 roll marks. The dies for the marks got old and worn and were changed after awhile. The 1944 is known as the "sway back pony" and is very different from others.
     

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    Rumble, your pix is of a 1911 and not a 1911A1. Notice the Springfield Armory Eagle Head/with number rather than the Inspector's initials.
     
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    Bill73 -

    As I said, I'm no expert...but I think I'm missing something in your comment. I don't see any of the markings you described on the picture I posted. But, I will concede that I am in error if that's the case.
     
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    Looks like a pantograph machine was done to make the markings. I concur that this one is not genuine.
     
  19. Bill73

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    Rumble, the upper circled area is where the inspestor initials would be on a 1911A1. In the top picture they show to be G H D. The lower circle is the Eagle Head with a number.....to small a number in this pic to make out.

    The roll die for WWI was probably worn out and juncked long before WWII came along.

    I'm not picking on you, just pointing out some things fyi.

    coolgunsite.com is the best info site on the net to check out the old Colts.
     
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    You can also check with CPS Gun Talk . The guys on the 1911 forum don't guess, they know their 1911s inside and out. I think you will find it's just a worn die.
     
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    Pix for my last post.
     

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    Even easier way to tell - from a distance...

    The 1911 has no scalloped area behind the trigger, the 1911-A1 does.
     
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    Bill73:

    Aha! The fact that I didn't see the markings you mentioned was exactly your point. Thanks for clarifying--I was deeply puzzled.
     
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    Not bogus -

    I think it's OK. My question is, "why would somebody counterfeit something common like that? It has all the patent dates, etc. A Walker Colt, they do counterfeit, but a < $1,000 .45 Auto? Hmmm.

    Besides, those rampant ponies are not all alike. Believe me, they have many variations.
     
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