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Colt M4 6920 vs. DSA FAL Para

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Timradcliffe345, Oct 14, 2008.

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  1. ParaElite

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    I got the DPMS LR-308 for 7.62. I believe it has more inherent accuracy than the FAL or the M1A. Get it for the long range shots. For the 5.56 get a Colt 6920 or the Noveske or the LMT M4.
     
  2. taliv

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    well I didn't say they wouldn't let you in. you're just not going to be able to do things like malfunction drills and reloads the same way as the other 20 people in class. and if you break a bolt or your extractor is weak or your sight comes loose etc etc etc... you're on your own. you won't even be able to borrow one of their loaner guns cause your ammo/mags won't fit.

    in the interest of brevity, I deleted the longer version of that paragraph. I originally wrote that base of knowledge doesn't exist within several orders of magnitudes. I'm not saying nobody knows anything, but the fact that you've got to name someone who knows a little is telling, no?

    I am REALLY not knocking team spartan. they look like stand-up guys. But from their instructor bios, it looks like they've got one guy... a former South African SWAT guy, who might have used a FAL in combat. (unless the chicago PD or 18Ds use FALs) Their instruction on FALs might be great, but it just can't have benefited from the collective knowledge on the scale that AR15/m4 training has.
     
  3. MTMilitiaman

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    So it's settled then...

    Since the number of rifles currently in use and the amount of training that can be received on a platform, the abundance and quality of mags, and the price of ammo are the factors we are looking at, the OP is getting an AK.

    The Kalashinikov has somewhere near 100 million rifles that have been produced floating around over 100 different countries. Sixty years of Spetznas for a training base, and mags and rifle parts are everywhere.

    The AR can't even dream of having the popularity, availability, or training base of the AK.

    Or the OP could just learn the manual of arms for the FAL or M14 and practice with it like any normal person.
     
  4. HorseSoldier

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    Their techniques aren't all that good, really. Guys in JSOC are running AKs better than the Russians ever dreamed of it -- at least judging by the techniques being taught here in the US by instructors coming from those two (very different) schools of combat marksmanship.
     
  5. RockyMtnTactical

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    You missed his point. The AR sucks, the AK is the cats pajamas. :uhoh:

    For the OP: In all reality, both platforms are deadly in the right hands. Choose the one you like and train with it. It doesn't matter if there are 40 billion copies of a certain design. What matters is, what is your comfort and competency level with that weapon, is it combat proven (both are, extensively)... and do you have what it takes to win a fight?
     
  6. MTMilitiaman

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    You really are missing the point.

    The point isn't that the AK is the "cats [sic] pajamas," it's that too much emphasis is being placed on training base.

    As an 0311 I got some pretty good training on the M16. Maybe some of the current commercial schools have better training, but the Marine Corp is no slouch and has a pretty good idea how to run the M16 in combat. I was pretty good with it. But I still have more confidence in my ability to run the M14 and the AK.

    As RMT suggests, the platform really doesn't matter as long as the user takes the time to become familiar with it. If you run the drills with pretty much anything, you adapt pretty quickly and figure out what works for you. I am not saying that a good knowledge base isn't important, because it can make learning easier, but to suggest that it is all-important is simply wrong.

    Plus, let's be honest. In this country, there is a 33% chance the OP is obese and close to 50% chance he is overweight. We are only kidding ourselves if we believe we can go to a school, get some training with our shiny new rifle, and be combat ready, when we can't get our flabby hams up the damn staircase.

    This is neither a personal judgment nor an insinuation of the physical stature or capabilities of the OP or anyone on this forum, but rather an acknowledgment that while mindset and training helps, there's more than goes in to it than just that.
     
  7. taliv

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    no. only one user in the first 20 posts mentioned training. it is not being emphasized enough.

    mindset is important but mindset doesn't depend on hardware. obesity also is important but irrelevant to the OP.

    but the hardware you choose DOES affect your training options.

    no one is suggesting it is all-important. just that it is a major advantage for the AR compared to the FAL.
     
  8. RockyMtnTactical

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    That's if you are basing your numbers on Americans in general probably. I am willing to bet that most of us are not what you would call the average American...

    The demographic that frequents this forum is probably less likely to be overweight than the average American. Just like how the average CCW holder is more likely to be a more law abiding citizen or vote for McCain over Obama... You're dealing with a completely different group of people than just "Americans in general".
     
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