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Colt New Line .41 Centerfire (.41 short colt) Info?

Discussion in 'Firearms Research' started by AJAX22, Sep 10, 2012.

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  1. AJAX22

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    I had the very good fortune to pick up a new project to tinker on and the price was so good I had to snap it up.

    It's a colt new line .41 centerfire short colt

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    I'd never heard of one but apparently These are actually rather rare/expensive little toys.

    I'm 1/2 tempted to see if I can get a factory letter for it, since the serial number is so beautifully preserved.

    10150 is the serial number... and I think that's supposed to date to 1879

    The story is that this was dug up in Tombstone AZ in 1916 when a family was adding a wooden sidewalk to their property.

    I'm working on getting some documentation on that.




    Any help tracking down info (or parts/diagrams) on these obscure little guns would be greatly appreciated.

    I had never heard of them.
     
  2. murdoc rose

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    Id venture to say the 41 is rarer than the other calibers but they are not that rare. There are also far more copies of the colt than actual colts. Had a period copy come thought the shop the other day called a hawkeye. Best of luck on parts those may be few and far between.
     
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    That is the second type, with the cylinder stop notches on the rear of the cylinder and the long flutes. There may have been as many as 8000 made, but there are questions on shared serial numbers. They are scarce, but not really rare and nearly every large gun show will have one or two.

    That gun is in poor condition; not only is it heavily corroded, the hammer spur is broken and the mainspring, cylinder pin, and grips are missing. I don't know of any source for parts and the cost of having them made could exceed the value of the gun. In the condition shown, I would value that gun at $150 or less. The story is worth what most stories are worth.

    Jim
     
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    A lot of those really old Colts are more like cast iron than steel. That cylinder might be beyond help. Might clean up as a nifty wall hanger though.
     
  5. Jim K

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    That is because they were cast iron or, at best, wrought iron. In that era, very few guns were actually made of steel, though small parts and springs were. It is seldom realized that the reason for all that pretty color case hardening was because iron cannot be hardened and the case hardening was needed to prevent wear on the frame from the working parts. The color was a result of the hardening, but not the reason for it, and was an expensive process. Many gun makers (e.g., Winchester) stopped case hardening their receivers as soon as steel came into use. Colt retained it on the SAA for cosmetic reasons and as a sort of trademark, and S&W kept it on their hammers and triggers for the same reason. S&W actually trademarked the use of case coloring on those parts in their "war" against cheap Spanish imports. (If the Spanish makers didn't color the parts, their guns wouldn't look like S&W's; if they did, the guns would be confiscated for trademark infringement.)

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    That number is fairly near the end of the production run. I concur 1879.
     
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    If you bought it to tinker with than go for it. Depending on your skill level you could do a lot with that gun. It wouldn't be worth it to have someone else do the work for you, but if you have have the necessary skills and tools you could bring it back to mint condition.
     
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    The ammo on this was 41 s bp 14 gr blk pwder 165 gr outside lubed 405.diamiter lead thumpur,yours is in relic condition excellant display piece william bonney liked the 41 as did many others a good condition shootable colt recently sold for 600.00, I have short cases,and vintage 1890 rounds for 4 bucks a round 2 bucks per case pm me:
     
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