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Columbus Ohio area man shoots trespassing teen

Discussion in 'Legal' started by evan price, Aug 24, 2006.

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  1. evan price

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    For all those folks out there who like to brag about shooting first and asking questions later::what:

    This house has a reputation in the area for being "haunted" and kids have been doing ghost runs out there forever.

    (As quoted on the OHIO CCW Forums web site by another member, DWCOL: )
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    http://www.nbc4i.com/news/9721499/detail.html

     
  2. evan price

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  3. Coronach

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    As in everything, there is more to the story...but based upon preliminary reports and his own statements to the media,

    THIS GUY IS DONE.

    I cannot imagine any fact that could come forward to make it a good shoot. Stand by for the leftist assault on the usage of lethal force for self defense. This guy is a walking Straw Man.

    Mike :cuss:
     
  4. bigun15

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    From what we know from the articles, he lost his temper and started shooting...

     
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    His "jailhouse interview" comments were pretty stupid. If he had kept his mouth shut, he would have a little better chance in court.
     
  6. vynx

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    He should be done!

    You don't shoot people for pranks (no matter how much you want to)!

    Also, he didn't know WHERE that round was going. What if it hit a bystander walking on the sidewalk, or enterred a neighbors window and hit a child.

    If he was shooting to scare as he said then he should have known his backstop - which he didn't.

    I hope this guy gets his just deserts.
     
  7. Coronach

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    Oh, let me be clear, lest anyone misunderstand. He should be done, assuming that everything we think we know is correct.

    And the stupidity of the jailhouse interview is about on par with the earlier actions that placed him there. So at least he is consistently stupid.

    Mike
     
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    Let this be a lesson to anyone; Your 5th Amendment rights include THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT and it is to your advantage to USE THIS RIGHT.

    However, this is pretty much open & shut, a bad shoot, no lethal force was authorized, when/IF this fella gets out of jail, his entire life will be owned by the girl he shot or her family.
     
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    If they had entered the house, or were trying to enter the house, I'd be inclined to back the guy up....but shooting to "drive off trespassers" is not sufficient cause to introduce deadly force into the equation.

    I'm also guessing that he hasn't secured legal counsel yet, because no defense lawyer in his right mind would allow his client to grant that interview. He has the right to remain silent, what he lacks is the ability.
     
  10. ilbob

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    Why is the trespasser not at least partially responsible for what happened to her?

    We would all be up in arms if the same thing had happened but instead of getting herself shot for being somewhere she had no right to be, had stepped in a pothole, broke her leg, and sued the homeonwer.

    I agree there was no reason to use lethal force, and it sounds like the guy didn't even know who or what he was shooting at, both big no-nos in my mind.
     
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    Why didnt he just hold her at gunpoint until police got on the scene?
     
  12. Coronach

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    Sure, she bears some culpability. But it pales in comparison to the use of deadly force when it is (seemingly) clearly not justified. It's not even in the same league of fault. It's not really worth discussing. You cannot shoot a teenage girl for running past your house. End of story.

    Mike
     
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    In other news, police are questioning two juveniles (a brother and sister) in the disappearance of an elderly woman who lived in a small house on a wooded property. The woman had previously complained to police that her home had been vandalized.
     
  14. Jim March

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    No argument, guy is hosed and deserves it.

    But...what it looks like is, he was bullied for too long and snapped. Humans are dangerous animals. Poke one with a stick often enough, long enough, somebody will eventually get dead.

    Making one guy your target of "fun" can get you killed. "Deserve" has nothing to do with it, everybody has a breaking point. Hope the kiddies learned that lesson too.
     
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    No evidence of attempted B&E, no evidence of robbery or theft, the guy just started blazing away with "sound shots" i.e., shooting at the sound of what might have been trouble . . . and then gives prosecutors (and the future civil lawsuit lawyer) plenty to work with by opening his big mouth for a jailhouse interview . . .

    The guy is a moron on so many levels it isn't even funny.

    The girls were certainly wrong, but to start shooting because you're annoyed is truly criminal.

    (Hmmm . . . if someone is often the target of pranks, I wonder if it would be possible for them to rig up a lawn sprinkler system to disperse pepper spray . . . or nontoxic, indelible dye? :evil: )
     
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    Bad situation, worse shooter

    How many of us have done stupid things as a kid? A lot of us. Did it warrant the use of deadly force? Not likely. This is a horrible shoot on so many levels, it is mind boggling just how shafted this guy is-and he deserves every bit of it.

    I hope the girl makes it through this, hopefully recovery will be 100%. As for Davis' family, they will bear the brunt of his stupidity-they will most likely lose their home because of this. It's a shame, really.

    I hope we all learn from this, though most likely none of us on THR would be stupid enough to put ones self in the same situation.

    What I fear are the repercussions of this is the Castle Doctrine laws recently passed. The leftist media will probably slander these laws and cite this shot as an example, even though it has nothing to do with said laws. :banghead:
     
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    I hope the girl recovers quickly. I'm sure she'll never repeat that stupid behavior. Was she wrong in her actions? Absolutely. The point here is the homeowner's actions in response to the kids' pranks. His actions were many orders of magnitude more wrong. They are a terrible reflection on those of us who are responsible and reasonable gun owners and advocates of RKBA.

    Teens do stupid, reckless, and disrespectful things on occasion. Even kids who are generally good kids will often go along with group pranks. 99% of the time, they aren't a serious threat to anyone, just annoying as hell. Chances are you did such things and/or your kids are--you just don't know about it.

    The guy was all wrong and not in the least justified. Bad karma.

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    This guy sounds like a moron & I hope that he goes down hard.

    That said:
    Or what if that round hit an airplane full of paralyzed orphans causing it to crash into the local convent on Mother Theresa night. Or what if that round hit an underground natural gas pipeline causing an explosion that shook the entire cemetary causing the bodies to rise from the grave as zombies.

    "What if" games tend to be portrayed much worse than what actually happened in order to generate a negative emotional response towards the subject in question. If the story is true then I know that he is a dangerous idiot, I don't need to feel that he is one.

    Conversely what if the rounds hit a tree in the yard scaring the girls into becoming model citizens for their lifetime. Neither happened though (zombies or model citizens) , let the guy either hang or go free based upon his own actions.

    (not trying to pick on you vynx, just a minor pet peeve of mine - time to switch to decaf....:rolleyes: )
     
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    "What a maroon".

    This type or irresponsibility gives all of us a black eye. He deserves all that he gets.
     
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    This guy shouldn't have used deadly force to deal with the local teens, there are many other options to repel them. You either buy a BIG DOG or invest in a paintball gun. Bite marks or welts on their asses might deter them from egging you.

    When we were young, the local farmer would shoot at us with rock salt from a shotgun. We learned pretty fast not to mess with his crops.
     
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    1. I wouldn't want to hang around outside defending my house with a paint ball gun. Might not be a dumb teenager one time. Might be an armed teenager or other criminal.

    2. I would be curious if there was a history of calls to police for this or a history of actual vandalism/theft. Just curious. It might help the guy, but might not.

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    Yes, and sometimes teens get themselves injured or killed doing stupid stuff. There are consequences and kids learn the hard way sometimes. I am not trying to justify the shooter, just pointing that out. Teens get away with stuff a lot, but adults should not dismiss that behavior as "harmless fun" if they see it.

    4. I wonder if this would be justified in Texas. It was trespassing at night. I guess it depends. Still not a good idea for a home owner to do this.
     
  22. HankB

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    IANAL, but as I understand the law, I would say probably not. Texas law provides for shooting a thief at night, not a (presumed) trespasser.

    There was no evidence that the girl was trying to swipe his car, a hubcap off his car, or even a lawn ornament. :rolleyes:

    Under these circumstances, I don't think a TX jury would be very kind to the shooter when rendering a verdict.
     
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    What a tragedy. Hope the young lady recovers fully, and does so very quickly. As stated before, teens do stupid stuff. Its almost a right of passage for kids to carry out anoying pranks. To shoot a kid over something like that just doesnt make sense to me. All the best to her.
     
  24. Henry Bowman

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    Let's put the shooting into what is the reported context. The girls had done their stroll up the sidewalk, returned to the car, and drove away. They circled the block and on the return pass were hit by bullets.

     
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    The first article says she was hit when running around the house. The 2nd article says it was when sitting in the car. The 2nd article had some more detail. Shooting someone in a car nearby in much different than shooting who is on your property. The interview with guy implied that someone was walking around on his property when he shot. The facts are little confusing. Did they get hit while in the car or did they just not notice the girl was hit until then?

    Either way, it wasn't a good shoot and certainly not in that state.

    He would have been better off putting on a mask and firing up a chain saw. That was scare any kids off pretty quick.
     
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