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Combat Carbine: 357, 44, 5.56, 7.62x39?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Glamdring, Aug 1, 2003.

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Combat Carbine: What caliber?

  1. 357 Mag (lever, pump)

    5 vote(s)
    4.3%
  2. 44 Mag (lever, auto)

    8 vote(s)
    6.8%
  3. 5.56 (AR, Mini14, etc)

    47 vote(s)
    40.2%
  4. 7.62x39 (SKS, AK, Mini30, etc)

    48 vote(s)
    41.0%
  5. Other?

    9 vote(s)
    7.7%
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  1. Glamdring

    Glamdring Member

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    What is your pic and why?
     
  2. priv8ter

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    First one

    And everyone who voted so far agrees with me!

    I voted for the .357, because it takes the same kind of ammo as my revolver...just makes sence, and it will get the job done out to 75-100yards.
     
  3. Coot

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    5.56...hey, it's good enough for our military isn't it?
     
  4. Dorrin79

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    SKS

    of course, a Yugo SKS isn't really a carbine, despite its caliber.
     
  5. enichols

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    OH gawd, I smell yet another caliber war brewing on this thread.
     
  6. Preacherman

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    You left out "all of the above". I have carbine-style weapons (semi-auto and lever-action) in all of these calibers, and would feel very comfortable in using any of them for self-defence, given adequate ammunition.
     
  7. BDM

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    5.56 is very effective if used within its paramaters 200 yds and under,I live in a city so having a rifle I can shoot left or right handed,easy to service,maintain and carry and is very lethal if the operator does his or her part is the way to go with a defensive carbine,If I have to take a longer shot or shoot through cars or walls Ill dig out the M14.
     
  8. Warner

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    "Combat" says no levers for me. Camping maybe, but not combat. I'd go for a mag fed piece to get me on a level playing field at least. I'd much prefer an overwhelming advantage. :D

    I won't choose the 5.56 due to the lack of any current malf-proof, rock-solid and reliable carbine/ magazine combination.

    With today's huge supply of 7.62X39 AK's, their steel mags and ammo everywhere, they would be my choice.......if the 7.62X51 was un-available to me. The SKS limits my rounds, and is too heavy with no benefit over the AK... IMO.
     
  9. Felonious Monk

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    None of the Above.

    9mm carbine stoked with Hirtenberger +P+ or 9mm NATO.
     
  10. Sunray

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    "...SKS isn't really a carbine..." Um, what would you call it? An AK isn't a carbine either. Of all of these the SKS is the only "combat carbine". Neither are any of the others listed. Strictly speaking, a carbine is a short version of the current issue rifle in the same calibre intended for cavalry use. This definition changed slightly with the M1 Carbine, meant to be issued to troops who would have normally used a pistol. Now they call anything with a shorter barrel a carbine.
    Combat? You want a proper rifle or just close the hatch and use the co-ax.
     
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  11. Dorrin79

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    I suppose I was referring to the fact that a Yugo SKS is almost as large and heavy as an M1 Garand.

    Seems silly to refer to it as a carbine.

    :cool:
     
  12. meathammer

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    I voted other.

    My choice: M-16/AR-15 chambered in .458 Socom, with suppressed 16" barrel.

    Why? Powerful and very cool. I want one. :D
     
  13. s&w 24

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    I had to vote other. A carbine stikes me as something that you carry when a rifle is too heavy/bulky but you might need something bigger than a pistol.

    Personaly I'm looking into a 357 max carbine because I shoot mostly 357 mag but I would probably pick a scout type rifle over a pistol caliber or intermidiate caliber cartrige because it is just about as portable and more powerful than the others listed

    On the other hand if I were to pick a carbine to have a carbine it would be an M-1 (30 cal) or a 10 mm carbine because for what there asked to do they will do the job the best.
     
  14. Futo Inu

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    First, who/what are we fighting?
     
  15. Dr.Rob

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    I can't imagine an American cop pulling an AK out of his patrol car, but we can all hope, right?

    There are plenty of carbine length AK's out there, In 5.56x45, 5.45x39 and 7.62x39.

    Stone simple, few parts robust magazines. Sights could be better, but a Kobra solves that for most.

    And hey why did you leave off the M-1 carbine? It's still in use in Israel as a cop/militia rifle (seen frequently on CNN)
     
  16. telomerase

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    What's a Kobra?

    >AK sights could be better, but a Kobra solves that for most.

    Pardon my ignorance, but what kind of sight is this? (And is there any way to fit an AK with a ghost ring?)
     
  17. Glamdring

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    Dr.Rob: I only included calibers I am thinking about. The 30 carbine is to weak for me.

    I am leaning towards a 44 or 7.62x39. I like the 7.62x39 cartridge, but I still haven't found a carbine in that caliber that I like.
     
  18. 4v50 Gary

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    .223. More use to it than the 7.62 x 39mm.
     
  19. WonderNine

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    In a carbine I'd go with the 7.62 X 39 MAYBE....in a 20" barrel I'd go with 5.56 X 45.

    Of course one can make the argument you can carry more rounds with the .223 even if you have to use a carbine.
     
  20. Edward429451

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    You said combat carbine, so I'm choosing from the list of options and chose 5.56 for its prevelant mags/ammo, and its hi cap, and semi auto.

    The 44 semi auto would outclass a 5.56 for urban usage but not with a 4 round mag.

    How come no 22LR / 22 Mag on the list? You didn't really define the type of combat. If its gurilla warfare a 22LR could be useful. Shoot & scoot.
     
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    Call me crazy, but if I was looking for an easy "carbine" to shoot I'd get an AK-74-type (5.45x39) since it doesn't depend on velocity for the bullet to tumble like it does with the 5.56x45 (.223). Light ammo, cheap mags, cheap ammo (Wolf 60 gr will do the trick.). and a cheap gun. Much better range than a pistol-caliber carbine.
     
  22. Sir Galahad

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    AKM, 7.62x39. Actually, the 7.62x39 has more uses than .223. For example, in many states, .223 is illegal to hunt deer with. 7.62x39 is legal. Put a 5 round mag in the AK and there you go. Further along, the 7.62x39 is a LOT cheaper than .223. By the time the .223 folks are packing up and leaving the shooting areas, I'm just breaking past my halfway point and still go home with a couple hundred rounds left even after that.

    There are some cops in rural areas who bought Romanian AKs (SAR-1) as patrol car carbines. From what I read, they had to buy their own carbines if they wanted them. So, they bought AKs. I would say that if a BG saw a cop unlimber an AK from the trunk of his cruiser, he's going to think twice about getting into a gunbattle with that cop. Nothing that BG hides behind is going to save him.
     
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  24. Schuey2002

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    .223 Rem./5.56 NATO out the barrel of a H&K G36C..;)
     
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    I like the 7.62x39 round, but mainly because I have a lot of SKSes and really like and am familiar with the rifle. It's probably the most powerful round listed, although the others might arguably do better in soft targets or may have better bullets available.

    They are all good rounds(including the .30 carbine which has been unfortunately omited from the list) if used within their limitations.

    Telomerase, a Kobra is a reflex sight similar to a Red Dot, but not in a closed tube.

    More info here: http://tantal.kalashnikov.guns.ru/kobra1.html

    There are some ghost/peep sights available for the AK, but they have some drawbacks and that's a whole 'nuther subject. www.mojosights.com has one option.
     
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