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Coming soon..."Worlds smallest 45 auto"

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Rembrandt, Nov 19, 2013.

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  1. Lucky Derby

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    Interesting design. Is it worth $1200? To some yes, to some no. Street price will likely be lower. I have yet to see a 9mm in person.
    This is kind of the Chiappa Rhino of semi-autos.
     
  2. tarosean

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    equates to you really dont want to shoot this thing unless you have too.
     
  3. bigfatdave

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    I've only been following the Boberg story in a "vauge interest" way - but wasn't that problem more a problem with ammo known to have very little neck tension/crimp, like Speer lawman?

    I seem to recall reading about a "recommended ammo list" or "non-reco. ammo list" being in the box with the gun, also. Which sucks, but the Boberg wouldn't be the first gun to come with known ammo pickiness from the factory.
     
  4. silicosys4

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    Can't be worse to shoot than one of those double tap derringers! Especially the ones that fire both barrels at once! Twice the price but I would bet there is twice the machining and engineering too.
     
  5. MrMarty51

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    The wifey wants a new unit for concealed carry. this one might just fit the bill.
     
  6. 460Shooter

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    That would qualify it as a machine gun, and would be illegal.

    I'll stick with my XDs. I'd maybe try one if it's price was reasonable.

    It isn't now.
     
  7. bannockburn

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    At that price I can come up with a lot of other guns I would like to have before I would consider getting this one.
     
  8. WardenWolf

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    Interesting. It's effectively a bullpup, so the trigger probably won't be that good. There has to be a linkage. That said, shifting it rearward WILL help with muzzle rise. The downside from a defensive handgun point of view is that shooting from retention or other non-standard positions is more problematic due to the extra rearward throw of the slide, and if you limpwrist it you could even strike your own wrist with it.
     
  9. PabloJ

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    You're dreaming. This gun would be about same size as XDs if magazine capacity was identical.
     
  10. tommy.duncan

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    1199.00?!?! I will continue to carry full size!!
     
  11. LightningMan

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    I would like to know how they fixed the problem with bullets getting pulled, because I had an XR9-S awhile ago, and had issues with it. One issue of course was that sometimes a bullet would get pulled and it wasn't just my reloads, as I had some Speer Gold-Dots come apart too. The other was that every now and then when the gun cycled after firing a round, the next round instead of chambering would be thrown out with the empty casing. At first I sent it back for a good going through, which Boberg paid the shipping, and turn around time was short within 2 weeks. But when I recieved it back, the issue of live rounds being tossed instead of being chambered was not fixed, so I sent it back for a refund, which I recieved with no hassels. So that is great Customer Service, but for me I'll keep my Kahr PM9. FWIW the Boberg XR9-S seemed extremely well made, and when it worked right was accurate and recoil was very managable, has good sights and good trigger. I still wished mine had not had any issues, because I really wanted it to work. I hope the issues have been ironed out. LM
     
  12. dacotah

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    As an owner of the 9mm version -- recoil is much better than my 3" XD SubCompact pistol. My wife thinks the Boberg has less recoil than her 4" XD full-size. Trigger feel is fairly smooth, feels like a double-action.

    Customer Service is excellent as well. I live in Minneapolis and was able to stop by when I had a small issue. One of the guys there showed me exactly what the issue was and what to fix.
     
  13. herkyguy

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    that is a heck of a lot of money for a pocket pistol. even if reviews came out saying it's the best shooting 45 out there, i'm not sure i'd drop $1200 for it. i'll stick with my XDs (whenver it comes back) and drop the $1200 on a nice 1911 - money spent tuning a gun to shoot at better ranges.
     
  14. hardluk1

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    Wow , as picky as bobergs are about ammo and knowing how picky short barreld 45's are this should be a interesting pistol to make reliable. I passed on the 9mm version and with other micro 45 out there that work well and or close enough in size not to mater.
     
  15. 2wheels

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    Very interesting, but also very expensive... I'd at least like to put a few rounds downrange with one.
     
  16. C0untZer0

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    Arne doesn't make junk. Every Boberg owner I've ever talked to says their gun is high-quality and beautiful.

    The issue of pulling the pants off bullets is basically feed your Boberg bullets that can keep their pants on.

    If you really really want to carry a particular type of ammo that doesn't hold together in the Boberg the it's obviously a deal breaker.

    Federal HST, Winchester Ranger "T" Series, Buffalo Bore, and 147gr Speer Gold Dots hold together,,, that's good enough ammo for me.

    http://community.bobergarms.com/forum/topics/boberg-compatible-ammunition
     
  17. PistolPete45

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    A bit pricey. I might if I were not a happy kimber carrier ..Will be interesting to see how well it sells and performs ..
     
  18. CZ223

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    Not for me

    If my Kimber Ultras or my XDS 45 is too big I"ll go with my LC-9 or my LCP.
     
  19. Napalm

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    Was just in Dallas. Jackson armory store has these Borerg pistols in stock, they are pretty damn cool
     
  20. jeepnik

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    Apparently they don't really want to sell them. I sent them an email asking for the specs, and the haven't responded. Not a really good way to do business, ignoring potential customers.
     
  21. barnbwt

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    Jeezus crust, look at this thread. :eek: And people wonder why there's no innovation in gun designs :rolleyes: :banghead:. The Boberg's ammo sensitivity is honestly no different than other small guns' sensitive needs --they are operating on razor-thin margin of mass, force, and momentum compared to bigger guns. On a forward-feeding design, the concern would be for bullet-setback (which is a real hazard this design actually nullifies ;) ). I do agree that the issue will likely be worse with much-heavier 45ACP bullets, but since the Boberg is a strong design capable of 9mm +P, heavy crimping may be a solution without a downside.

    You do realize every single pistol design with a magazine in the grip works this way, right? :scrutiny: Even the 1911.

    There's a good chance there are no specs yet, since the gun is still early in the design phase (hence why a CAD rendering was featured instead of a prototype). It's worse business to promise customers what you can't deliver *cough* keltec *cough*. I don't think it was any secret that the Boberg was destined for other service cartridges, but the super tiny form factor obviously requires a total redesign of all those close-fitted parts wrapped around the chamber. It's not a drop in modification.

    See the last point I made, plus, "yes, it will look just like the computer model," since the gun is made on 5-axis CNC equipment that cuts metal to match the computer model to within .0005" (give or take based on his machinery)

    Maybe, If Chiappa hadn't bungled their rollout with crappy Italian quality control and meat-headed distributor representatives. What a lost opportunity that was...

    I swear that half the nay-say'ers commenting here are unaware there already has been a well made and highly successful 9mm variant on the market for like a year, now :banghead:. Just because you haven't heard of it doesn't mean it sucks or doesn't exist :p. And the gun competes with the Rohrbaugh 9's, not the Ruger 32acp's; hence the ~1000$ price tag. I'm not sure some people realize just how compact these guns are; it's quite remarkable, and not much else competes with it. Fewer realize just how expensive 5-axis machining/ery is, what it can do, and how new it is in the gun industry

    TCB
     
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  22. StrikeFire83

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    Three posts up from you a guy was just saying how the Boberg was pulling apart his Speer Gold Dots so the problem wasn't limited just to crappy plinking ammo. And I followed the forum for quite some time, the Boberg was pulling apart American Eagle, Winchester White Box and Remington UMC. Now those are the three most commonly available types of practice ammo. If the gun only functions with a select number of high dollar hollow points and nothing else that is not good.

    Arne seems like a very nice guy and I want his company to succeed. But innovation solely for innovation's sake is not enough to make me purchase a serious business CHL firearm. I wish him the best and hope the bugs have been largely ironed out.
     
  23. snooperman

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    Boberg pistols are something new with a different engineering design concept. Many people like to buy into that, and that is fine. I prefer the traditional tried and true with a solid track record. To each his own.
     
  24. jeepnik

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    brnbwt. Okay, so they don't have the specs hashed out yet. But, it's good business (and I own one) to respond to inquiries. A simple, email explaining this and promising to email further info when available keeps folks interested.
     
  25. powder

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    I just scooped up another used G36 for 500, with N/S..

    1200 for what?
     
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