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common HD .38 +p ammo for snubs, 4", 6" guns...what say you?

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by kmrcstintn, Jun 26, 2008.

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  1. kmrcstintn

    kmrcstintn Member

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    in our household, we have several snubby revolvers, a 4" revolver, and a 6" revolver that I want to share a common stash of .38 spl +p defensive ammo instead of buying several brands/weights based on what is best for each length barrel...this kinda crap gets old and driving to several different shops only to find they are out of stock is not an option when gas is more than $4 a gallon; :mad:

    summary: 1 7/8" barreled snubbies, 4" barreled revolvers, 6" barreled revolvers...one ammo that works...what say you?
     
  2. 19-3Ben

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    I'd go with Double Tap's .38+p. It'll kick butt out of the 2", and at the 6", i'd bet it's up near .357mag territory (out of a snubbie. Not hardcore hunting rounds from long bbl guns).

    LINK
     
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    I'd say either the 158 gr LSWCHP+P (the Remington version may expand the best out of a short barrel) or Corbon DPX.

    I personally use the 158 gr LSWCHP+P load from Georgia Arms, but my shortest revolver has a 3" barrel. I don't know if this ammo will expand reliably out of a 2" barrel. But it is good ammo at a good price.
     
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    +1 of the DT +P 125gr .38. Both of my snubs are loaded with it. In point of fact, ALL of my guns are loaded with DT ammo!
     
  6. Stephen A. Camp

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    thanks so far; Double Tap's powder mix behind Gold Dots & tried-n-true old unjacketed lead; I was leaning toward the Remington variant of the FBI load, but wanted to 'feel' a concensus; another ole timer that floats around our house is Winchester or Remington semijacketed 125gr .38 spl +p's cuz they are what my dad is familiar with from using them for years in security work; the Double Tap load would be just a technological step forward
     
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    I'll add my voice to the FBI load. I like the Remington offering best over the Winchester round but both are accurate.
     
  9. hoptob

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    Just to be sure. Are you asking for a load recommendation for Heavy Duty 38/44 revolvers (as in Outdoorsman) or for regular 38spl +p. I like FBI load and all but 38/44 can do more than that.

    Mike
     
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    The WWB 125grn +p looks great in gello, is fairly cheap and is available at most of the marts.
     
  11. JShirley

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    I see that Mr. Camp has semi-scientifically verified my suspicions. I have the 158 gr LSWCHP+P load from Georgia Arms in my Model 65 3", but Remington 125-grain R38S2 in my 642. Unfortunately, I haven't had the chance to test in any media.

    John
     
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    Speer Gold Dot 135gr

    Good price now in bulk on GunBroker.com

    Just bought and received 500 rnds.

    YMMV
     
  13. Gordon

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    Although I have and will continue the Rem +p FBI load in my Colt D frame snubs, I use the new Gold Dot 135 'short barrel' in the S&W j frame snubs. I use the FBI load in my 2.5" 242(7 shot), in the 2" Model 15,the 2.5 Diamondback and in all my S&W 4" guns that are post war.
    Now the post war 6" guns I like 110 grain hollowpoints at 1200fps, like the old Supervel load. These are absolutely devastating on dogs and smaller animals to 50 yards or so.
    For practice I shoot cast 150 grain round nose from a 6 cavity gang mold ,usually with Bullseye to give 800fps from a 4" barrel.
     
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    I keep a few hundred 158gr LHP+P on hand, it looks good out of any barrel length, from my 2" J-frames to my 4" K-frames.

    My wife loads her .357s with it for carry.
     
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    I've chronoed the speer 135 SBGD from my 4" 65 and they average 950 which is near the 357 load from a snub. as others have said there's some on GB for low $.
     
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    WalMart sells 100 pack of Remington .38 Special +p 125 gr for $29. It's a stout +p hollowpoint that works well in 2" and 6". Its copper jacket makes the barrel easier to clean. It's my range ammo. My 8" revolver by the bed side has 158 gr .357 magnum hollowpoints in it. I want the bastard incapacitated as fast as possible.
     
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    Remington 158 gr SWCLHPs are great stuff. For a round that works the best in all barrel lengths, that'd be my first choice.
     
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    Mr. Camp, thank you for posting that link -- very informative. Of course, now I'm hoping I get enough velocity with my 3" Model 64s. My guess is probably...
     
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    After seeing Mr. Camp's GA Arms test a while back I bought some to use in my 4" Smith. I don't own a snub (yet ;) ) so I don't have to worry as much about it not expanding. Thank you to Mr. Camp for all the work he does (I love the hipowersandhandguns.com site :) )
     
  20. Stephen A. Camp

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    Hello. I am glad to have been of service. I sort of think that it will do fine from the 3" since chronographed velocities from a couple of my 3" .38's compared to 4" guns are usually extremely close.

    Best and good luck.
     
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    Mr. Camp: Thanks again for making me drool on my keyboard, that 10's stocks are gorgeous. I wonder if they are still available - my 64 needs something there.

    I am down to my last box of each, the GA Arms and the Remi's. Time to re-order - if I can find a source for those Remis for <$30/box. Those R38S12's are not available locally, for sure. If I remember, GA Arms listed their rounds as '158gr LSWC +P', too, totally hidden is the fact they are HPs. Still, they are nearly identical, ballistically, to the Remi's - and great pracrtice rounds for my 642 & 4" 64. So, that was sage advice, several years back - carry Remi's in 2"-4", practice with GA Arms in all of them - and carry, when need be, in your 4"+ .38/.357Ms.

    Stainz
     
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    It appears that both the Georgia Arms 38E and the Rem 38S12 meet the latest 38+P specs--i.e., are loaded to a SAMMI pressure level of 18,500. The 38E appears to use the Hornady 158LSWC-HP round, FWIW.

    I bought both of these cartridges this winter and shot them in my 2" j-frames--a 442, M&P 340, and 640. My initial tests were to determine "subjective recoil" characteristics for my Replica Reloads reloading project. (Both felt virtually identical, with a "full" recoil similar to the GDSB 38+P 135-gr. factory round.)

    So far, I've only chrono'd them through the 640. From that (2&1/8") barrel, the GA 38E averaged 777 fps and the 38S12 averaged about 805.

    I've been busy testing reloaded ammo to meet this nominal (800 fps / 2" barrel) performance level, so I haven't returned to more chrono tests of this factory ammunition, but I'll run some more out in both the 340 and the M60 (3" barrel). I also have a Night Guard 386 (L frame, 2&1/2" barrel) coming in sooner or later--so, we'll have a range of barrel lengths' velocities available once I get the data assembled.

    I have also found out that CIP--the European Standards group--has no "38-Plus-P" standard: they simply run 38 Special pressures out to (the equivalent of) 21,750 PSI. [sarcasm]Do you suppose 38 Special revolver manufacturers are building their products to two different standards, and shipping stronger 38 Special frames to Europe? [/sarcasm]

    More testing needs to be done, but right now my preference leans to the GDSB 38+P 135-gr. round for daily carry in a 2" barrel. Maybe we can get Speer to do a GDSB 158-gr bullet.


    Jim H.
     
  25. kmrcstintn

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    thanks all...been busy, so I've not checked back in a few days; found the local Gander Mountain is now starting to keep the Remmy FBI load in stock so I got a box to top off my stock & I'll do this every so often; even though the all lead hollowpoint is way outmoded, it still performs well...I'm happy with that; :evil:
     
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