Compact Distance?

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I'm way late on this one but aside from Bill Drills, Mozambique's and the like, getting into some competition shooting where movement and cover/concealment is part of the game would be most beneficial.

If you're lucky enough to have local Force on Force training, go do that.

If none of that is an option practice dry firing the first two examples, from concealment. Throw some mag changes in for good measure.
 
You asked, "What is good enough?" That all depends on what youre trying to do. To a bullseye shooter who strives for tight little groups, hits on target in more realistic shooting would look like a mess.

I look at it this way, bullseye shooting, as challenging as it can be and Im not knocking it, is really nothing more than confirmation you have the basics down. Its the starting point for everything, and really not very realistic for most everything else.

I think the goal here, is to be able to shoot, without having to think about the act of shooting, and to quickly make multiple good hits on target, and up close, 7-5 yards and in, preferably while you're moving as you shoot, and shooting over the top of the gun, without using the sights.

And of course, this all starts from your concealed holster, and a good bit of your practice should reflect that.



I think the recent mall food court shooting has shown a lot of people, they really need to up their game and be able to shoot well at the longer distances if needed.

Realistically, you should be able to make good solid body hits at 50 yards, from a barracade-type rest. That would be head shots at 25 yards.

All this "Rule of 3's" crap is not doing you anyone any good, if you buy into it.
I would say What I want to say to this. But, If I did I would be kicked off this forum. So, I won't say anything but this. Well,, I can't say that either .
 
I don't know exactly how to ask this question.
I got my carry permit about a year ago but have refused to carry my gun untill I was good enough with it. What is good enough?
Somehow, In my mind I came up with this. I must be able to consistently put all 12 rounds from my G3c into a 6" Dia. Circle at 7yds. Why 7yds. I don't know really. I think because that was the maximum distance they allowed us to shoot in carry class. That's 3" from the red dot in any direction.
I think this is where somebody is going to pop up and say " I can shoot a flea off a Nats rear end in mid flight at 60 yards". Great, Good for you. But for me? I wish.
Today, After nearly a year of really struggling. I think I'm there. Today a 100 rounds and only 3 just barely outside that Circle.
Then, at the range. A big smile on my face. Proud of my shooting today. At the check out. The guy asked," How did you do today?" I said, Pretty Good. He said. " I was watching you on the monitor. You were standing awful close to that target". Bummer. The smile was gone. Not so proud.
My question for you who carry, shoot 3" or less barrel, compact handguns.
Do you have a set accuracy, distance, or whatever limit that you set in your mind that you feel you need to meet?
Just me asking.
Get yourself a copy of Tom Givens' book, Concealed Carry Class.

In Chapter 12, Training Priorities, Givens presents data he's collected regarding the circumstance of defensive gun use (DGU) by private citizens. AFAIK, Givens' data is the only data of this kind, with which to guide your training to make it reality-based.

According to Givens, the majority of DGUs by private citizens occur between 3-7 yards, with the overwhelming majority occurring between 3-5 yards.

Givens also uses the FBI qualification course as well as his more challenging Rangemaster qualification course in his training classes.

Givens uses an 8-inch "vital area" standard, as does Jeff Gonzales (Trident Concepts). I train to keep my shots within a 4-inch circle at all distances out to 15 yards, based on the expectation that my performance will suffer under extreme stress. I do most of my training at 7-yards. I occasionally train at 25-yards, but not too often. The max distance in which I routinely train is 15-yards, because it represents three car lengths, and represents the situation in which I were on the side of the road with car trouble and a bad guy(s) pulled up to victimize me while I’m vulnerable.
 
I don't know exactly how to ask this question.
I got my carry permit about a year ago but have refused to carry my gun untill I was good enough with it. What is good enough?
Somehow, In my mind I came up with this. I must be able to consistently put all 12 rounds from my G3c into a 6" Dia. Circle at 7yds. Why 7yds. I don't know really. I think because that was the maximum distance they allowed us to shoot in carry class. That's 3" from the red dot in any direction.
I think this is where somebody is going to pop up and say " I can shoot a flea off a Nats rear end in mid flight at 60 yards". Great, Good for you. But for me? I wish.
Today, After nearly a year of really struggling. I think I'm there. Today a 100 rounds and only 3 just barely outside that Circle.
Then, at the range. A big smile on my face. Proud of my shooting today. At the check out. The guy asked," How did you do today?" I said, Pretty Good. He said. " I was watching you on the monitor. You were standing awful close to that target". Bummer. The smile was gone. Not so proud.
My question for you who carry, shoot 3" or less barrel, compact handguns.
Do you have a set accuracy, distance, or whatever limit that you set in your mind that you feel you need to meet?
Just me asking.


Realistically you "might" some bad day have to take the shot of your life.

UNLESS you carry large amounts of cash,or are in BAD neighborhoods often,or any other of a million situations that are not the daily routine of most Americans.

Other than the exceptions = you might need to draw [ BUT NOT TO A DRAWN GUN ] and take the shot or 2 of a lifetime.

That shot will MOST LIKELY BE no more than 3 feet ----- and likely less than 21 feet [ THE 7 yard measure we all know ].

If you can draw from a cold holster and hit a 6 inch pie plate,then your in the minority and yes ----- your GTG.

You cannot miss fast enough ------------------- so DO NOT MISS.

That is not a "target" view it as a THREAT.
 
The OP is at the point where shooting some well-thought-out skills development drills plus some tests of handgun competency are probably in order.

Here are some of my favorites:

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.p...raining-skill-check-fun.899935/#post-12181215

And a simple combination drill/test that focuses on handgun fundamentals:

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/bill-wilsons-half-prez-drill.909999/#post-12399088

Almost all of these include performance standards of some kind. Select two or three and try them out. Keep records of your results. Practice these skills. Retest, and look for improvement.

Then try different drills.

If you work at it, pretty soon you'll be a more well-rounded handgun shooter, much better than you are now, AND you'll know your own personal limits.

One other note: your progress will be much faster if you find a competent trainer to help.
 
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