Comparison of an FNAR and an M1A (on order)?
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gga357
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The FNAR and M1 are two different rifles I think it would be best to have both. I started with the FNAR.
Bill_Rights
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I'm with gga357. My FNAR has shipped and should be here in a few days. If this thread is still active in a few weeks, I'll let you know about groups, handling, etc.
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Is the FNAR more or less a glorified Browning BAR? [Edit: Oops, sorry, question answered already.]
Also, it seems to me to be a poor name choice, to use "AR" as part of a name for a rifle that has nothing to do with the ubiquitious AR type rifles.
Actually that one is a consideration I take into account. I don't like loud safeties. I want to be able to make unsafe very quietly when a deer is sneaking toward me.
Also, it seems to me to be a poor name choice, to use "AR" as part of a name for a rifle that has nothing to do with the ubiquitious AR type rifles.
Actually that one is a consideration I take into account. I don't like loud safeties. I want to be able to make unsafe very quietly when a deer is sneaking toward me.
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And as a bonus, in the process, bulk up your arm muscles lugging that boat anchor around.
Sorry, had to take that cheap shot since I just got a sub-8 lb DPMS LR 260L. Funderb
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I wouldn't hope, but call, talk and actively ENSURE that your agreement is honored, if they refuse, buy from the gunshop. Make sure they know you won't be going to them any more.
You need to learn how to use an M14 safety properly with one finger in front and one behind you can get it to disengage without noise (an old marine taught be that one). Also like I said above it needs to be broken in a bit. If you just click it on by pushing or pulling without "padding" it with the second finger yes it can be loud like my marine friend said it is a training issue and getting to know your rifle is critical.
Funderb said:
The order was placed with www.ImpactGuns.com and they specifically state that there's no guarantee on the price until the item arrives if it's on back order. That said, when I ordered an AI bipod (around $300) which didn't arrive for six months, they honored the original price. This would be my fourth rifle purchase from them, plus I bought both AICS stocks from them along with a bunch of magazines. Maybe they'll want to keep me happy, maybe not.
Alright I misspoke. I got to reading the propaganda. The FNAR is not a sniper rifle. It is a tricked out Browning BAR sporting rifle. Nothing wrong with that.
I did not know the trick about using two fingers to take a M1 off saftey. Not sure that makes me like that type of saftey any better.
I havent shot my SOCOM 16 M1a enough to break it in. It is too damm loud with that 16" barrel and muzzel break to enjoy shooting. One shot without ear protection and you are done for the day. And I don't like the milatary two stage trigger.
I guess it depends on how you want to use it. The FNAR is not a battle rifle and the M1a is not a sporting rifle. Just like you could clean a deer with a K-Bar and fight with a Buck knife, but given the option pick the right tool.
I did not know the trick about using two fingers to take a M1 off saftey. Not sure that makes me like that type of saftey any better.
I havent shot my SOCOM 16 M1a enough to break it in. It is too damm loud with that 16" barrel and muzzel break to enjoy shooting. One shot without ear protection and you are done for the day. And I don't like the milatary two stage trigger.
I guess it depends on how you want to use it. The FNAR is not a battle rifle and the M1a is not a sporting rifle. Just like you could clean a deer with a K-Bar and fight with a Buck knife, but given the option pick the right tool.
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Well, duh.
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One shot without ear protection and you are done for the day.
No kidding
Take a look at the muzzle device kit Smith Enterprise, Inc makes for the SOCOM.
It allows you to run a DC Vortex flash eliminator and standard USGI front sight.
If you are so inclined, you can also run a .30 cal DC sound suppressor from SEI/FEI
One shot without ear protection and you are done for the day.
No kiddingTake a look at the muzzle device kit Smith Enterprise, Inc makes for the SOCOM.
It allows you to run a DC Vortex flash eliminator and standard USGI front sight.
If you are so inclined, you can also run a .30 cal DC sound suppressor from SEI/FEI
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Re: FNAR vs. M1A
I don’t know crap about statistics and really don’t care, I like to find out for myself. I have an M1A, a Remington 700P and I just got the FNAR in heavy. I am using a Leupold Mark 4 Long Range/Tactical 3.5-10x40mm on the Remington and Nikon Monarch Riflescope 2.5-10x42 on the M1A and the FNAR. First off I have to say that I love my Remington and would not change it for anything, it is accurate and reliable, but with that said I can only get about 50/60 shots out before I am starting to hate life. The FNAR hardly has any recoil on it and with both the M1A and the FNAR at 500 yards (nice day) I am shooting tight groups. I was not sure about the FNAR at first, just because it was so damn ugly and at first it was hard to field strip, however once I got used to it, it was extremely easy to clean and strip down. I really did like the M1A before I got and shot the FNAR, but I have since changed my mind It is easy to shoot, it is accurate, it feels good in the hands and against the shoulder and now that I know what I am doing it is easy to field strip and clean. Don’t get me wrong I still love the M1A. I really can careless about more accessories or putting more crap on it, I am not a big fan of weighting down a rifle. I did have some issues with the bipod getting loose, but I think a friend of mine found a fix for it. Once I know I will post again and I will post some pictures very soon. My next purchase will be the Blaser R93 Tactical, hey a man can never have to many guns. Perhaps someday I will buy a Barrett 50 cal. (If the old lady will let me) Nothing says buy me a new gun like a new ring guys. Oh, and by the way I paid $1300 for my FNAR through Gunbroker.com, seriously look around before you buy, I have never really paid much for my weapons.
I don’t know crap about statistics and really don’t care, I like to find out for myself. I have an M1A, a Remington 700P and I just got the FNAR in heavy. I am using a Leupold Mark 4 Long Range/Tactical 3.5-10x40mm on the Remington and Nikon Monarch Riflescope 2.5-10x42 on the M1A and the FNAR. First off I have to say that I love my Remington and would not change it for anything, it is accurate and reliable, but with that said I can only get about 50/60 shots out before I am starting to hate life. The FNAR hardly has any recoil on it and with both the M1A and the FNAR at 500 yards (nice day) I am shooting tight groups. I was not sure about the FNAR at first, just because it was so damn ugly and at first it was hard to field strip, however once I got used to it, it was extremely easy to clean and strip down. I really did like the M1A before I got and shot the FNAR, but I have since changed my mind It is easy to shoot, it is accurate, it feels good in the hands and against the shoulder and now that I know what I am doing it is easy to field strip and clean. Don’t get me wrong I still love the M1A. I really can careless about more accessories or putting more crap on it, I am not a big fan of weighting down a rifle. I did have some issues with the bipod getting loose, but I think a friend of mine found a fix for it. Once I know I will post again and I will post some pictures very soon. My next purchase will be the Blaser R93 Tactical, hey a man can never have to many guns. Perhaps someday I will buy a Barrett 50 cal. (If the old lady will let me) Nothing says buy me a new gun like a new ring guys
. Oh, and by the way I paid $1300 for my FNAR through Gunbroker.com, seriously look around before you buy, I have never really paid much for my weapons.Bill_Rights
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roughedges,
Some FNAR owners are breaking a screw upon reassembly after field strip. You might want to check out this thread http://fnforum.net/viewtopic.php?t=13373 on the FNForum forum (hmmm...) in case you haven't stripped that far down. But if you have, you've either got good mechanical "feel" or you lucked out with a non-defective screw.
Comments appreciated.
Some FNAR owners are breaking a screw upon reassembly after field strip. You might want to check out this thread http://fnforum.net/viewtopic.php?t=13373 on the FNForum forum (hmmm...) in case you haven't stripped that far down. But if you have, you've either got good mechanical "feel" or you lucked out with a non-defective screw.
Comments appreciated.
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No problems field stripping FNAR
I don’t know if its luck, or if it’s me just being anal about the way I clean my equipment, but I have had no problems with the screw at all. With that said, I have heard of a few people that have had that problem and I was told if it happens you can contact FNH and they will replace it for you. Not sure if it was/is a defective part or not, but I have had no problems other than with the tripod. I went out shooting with a buddy of mine yesterday, he is an ex Seal and fell in love with the rifle and now wants one for himself. I do love the rifle, but I would be lying if I said it was my favorite, I still love my Remington 700 best, it is probably the most reliable and accurate civilian rifles I have ever fired and would never trade it, not even for the FNAR. I guess my biggest problem is at my age I just hate the friggen recoil, I have been shooting for many years as a scout and as a civilian and I think over the years it has just messed up my shoulder and clavicle:banghead:. One last thing, if anyone is thinking about buying one, I would not pay more than $1400 for it, I have seen them going for as much as $1600 - $1800 and that is just plain insanity, I like the rifle, but not that much.
What's the first thing you feel when you shoot a person?
I don’t know if its luck, or if it’s me just being anal about the way I clean my equipment, but I have had no problems with the screw at all. With that said, I have heard of a few people that have had that problem and I was told if it happens you can contact FNH and they will replace it for you. Not sure if it was/is a defective part or not, but I have had no problems other than with the tripod. I went out shooting with a buddy of mine yesterday, he is an ex Seal and fell in love with the rifle and now wants one for himself. I do love the rifle, but I would be lying if I said it was my favorite, I still love my Remington 700 best, it is probably the most reliable and accurate civilian rifles I have ever fired and would never trade it, not even for the FNAR. I guess my biggest problem is at my age I just hate the friggen recoil, I have been shooting for many years as a scout and as a civilian and I think over the years it has just messed up my shoulder and clavicle:banghead:. One last thing, if anyone is thinking about buying one, I would not pay more than $1400 for it, I have seen them going for as much as $1600 - $1800 and that is just plain insanity, I like the rifle, but not that much.
What's the first thing you feel when you shoot a person?
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As Promised
Okay, as promised I said if my friend’s idea worked on the tripod I would share it with everyone. Anyhow it worked, we used Loctite® on the screw and because it vibration resistant, heat resistant and moisture resistant, it worked like a charm. We just put a little bit on it, not too much and shot 200 rounds through the FNAR without the tripod coming loose or vibrating at all. So I also went ahead and put it on my other rifles tripod and also on my scopes. I have not had any problems since I started to use this stuff. If anyone is wondering what kind of Loctite® we used, we used the Loctite® Threadlocker Blue and it was not to expensive, I think it cost about $6.99, you do not need to buy the bigger one, because you do not need to use to much of this stuff. I have also attached the link for Loctite, in case anyone has any questions about it.
http://www.loctiteproducts.com/products/detail.asp?catid=10&subid=48&plid=153
Don't try to run. You'll only die tired!
Okay, as promised I said if my friend’s idea worked on the tripod I would share it with everyone. Anyhow it worked, we used Loctite® on the screw and because it vibration resistant, heat resistant and moisture resistant, it worked like a charm. We just put a little bit on it, not too much and shot 200 rounds through the FNAR without the tripod coming loose or vibrating at all. So I also went ahead and put it on my other rifles tripod and also on my scopes. I have not had any problems since I started to use this stuff. If anyone is wondering what kind of Loctite® we used, we used the Loctite® Threadlocker Blue and it was not to expensive, I think it cost about $6.99, you do not need to buy the bigger one, because you do not need to use to much of this stuff. I have also attached the link for Loctite, in case anyone has any questions about it.
http://www.loctiteproducts.com/products/detail.asp?catid=10&subid=48&plid=153
Don't try to run. You'll only die tired!
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Correction
Sorry guys and girls and meant to say Bipod, not Tripod, my bad.
Sorry guys and girls and meant to say Bipod, not Tripod, my bad.
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Roughedges,
I lost ya there, Buddy, on the bipod. Please point me to where you described the problem. Thanks.
I lost ya there, Buddy, on the bipod. Please point me to where you described the problem. Thanks.
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This was a comment on page one where someone was having problems with there bipod loosening after shooting his FNAR. Anyhow, I found that I had the same problem with my bipod on my FNAR, after shooting several rounds; my bipod would start to loosen up and jiggle like a big set of cans on a blonde. My first comment on this subject was a typo; I had tripod on the mind because my friend and I were talking about spotters before I posted my comment. Anyhow back to what I was saying, I had a friend that said he had a fix for it and I had promised the guy that asked about it, and if it works that I would put on the board, what I used and how it worked out. I was so happy with the loctite that I have since put it on the screws of all my bipods and screws to my scopes. I know this is getting a little confusing, but hope I was able to clarify in some manner.
If you kill someone and it makes the world a better place, is it so wrong?
This was a comment on page one where someone was having problems with there bipod loosening after shooting his FNAR. Anyhow, I found that I had the same problem with my bipod on my FNAR, after shooting several rounds; my bipod would start to loosen up and jiggle like a big set of cans on a blonde. My first comment on this subject was a typo; I had tripod on the mind because my friend and I were talking about spotters before I posted my comment. Anyhow back to what I was saying, I had a friend that said he had a fix for it and I had promised the guy that asked about it, and if it works that I would put on the board, what I used and how it worked out. I was so happy with the loctite that I have since put it on the screws of all my bipods and screws to my scopes. I know this is getting a little confusing, but hope I was able to clarify in some manner.
If you kill someone and it makes the world a better place, is it so wrong?
Beagle-zebub
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I assume that "FNAR" is a play on "BAR," differing due to its being marketed as an FN rather than Browning. They are otherwise the same rifle.
Bill_Rights
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Beagle,
FNAR = Fabrique Nationale Autoloading Rifle
FN bought Browning several years ago. "Inherited" the 1960s Browning BAR Short-Trac (and similar, like on Sierra) action. Re-engineered and re-used in the FNAR.
Same rifle? You gotta be kidding.
FN took a good ole' proven semi-auto action, re-worked the receiver to fit a horsey precision barrel and high-cap mags. Redid the stocks and ergonomics completely. And put the FN sweet-smooth recoil engineering on it that their FNP pistols are known for (I guess a combo of sheer mass, moving weight, timing, gas flow tailoring and spring rates).
What more does a company have to do to have a "new rifle" vs "the same rifle"?
Who cares. I have one, and its a "good rifle".
FNAR = Fabrique Nationale Autoloading Rifle
FN bought Browning several years ago. "Inherited" the 1960s Browning BAR Short-Trac (and similar, like on Sierra) action. Re-engineered and re-used in the FNAR.
Same rifle? You gotta be kidding.
FN took a good ole' proven semi-auto action, re-worked the receiver to fit a horsey precision barrel and high-cap mags. Redid the stocks and ergonomics completely. And put the FN sweet-smooth recoil engineering on it that their FNP pistols are known for (I guess a combo of sheer mass, moving weight, timing, gas flow tailoring and spring rates).
What more does a company have to do to have a "new rifle" vs "the same rifle"?
Who cares. I have one, and its a "good rifle".
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Roughedges,
I looked onthe first page of this thread for the bipod issue and found a post by member "Jaws" http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=5210274&postcount=5 . I guess that's what you're referring to. Do you have the same Harris "lightweight" bipod? A model # and photo of your bipod would be nice, if its any different.
I am messing around with a Versa-Pod Model 2 bipod. It is intentionally "sloppy" because it is designed for varmint hunting on hillsides, etc. It has about +/- 30 degrees side-to-side and up-and-down tilt, without un-planting the legs from the dirt. It seems like it will not give good rigid support for bench shooting of precision groups, however. I hope to try it on paper groups in the next few days.
I'll let you know. Maybe we should start a new thread just on bipods, though you seem to be all set w/ yours....
I looked onthe first page of this thread for the bipod issue and found a post by member "Jaws" http://www.thehighroad.org/showpost.php?p=5210274&postcount=5 . I guess that's what you're referring to. Do you have the same Harris "lightweight" bipod? A model # and photo of your bipod would be nice, if its any different.
I am messing around with a Versa-Pod Model 2 bipod. It is intentionally "sloppy" because it is designed for varmint hunting on hillsides, etc. It has about +/- 30 degrees side-to-side and up-and-down tilt, without un-planting the legs from the dirt. It seems like it will not give good rigid support for bench shooting of precision groups, however. I hope to try it on paper groups in the next few days.
I'll let you know. Maybe we should start a new thread just on bipods, though you seem to be all set w/ yours....
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BTW, you can get CMI/ G.I. Issue mags form here cheaper http://www.44mag.com/products.asp?dept=1318 or herehttp://palmettostatearmory.com/m14m1a.php and I would go with the M1A.
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That is exactly what I was talking about.
That is exactly what I was talking about.
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