Discussion in 'Strategies, Tactics, and Training' started by Good Ol' Boy, Sep 18, 2022.
Not "overly graphic" but if you're squeamish maybe pass this one up.
Approximately 30 minutes later, in Delray Beach (about 30 minutes south), the same suspect enters another similar store and announces a robbery. There are two male clerks and no customers present. One of the clerks ducks behind the counter, and the suspect fires at him. The other clerk produces a gun himself and fires a single shot at the suspect, who immediately flees the store. Neither victim complied. Neither victim is injured.
Officers responding to the second incident locate the suspect lying in the street about a hundred yards from the store, suffering from a gunshot wound to the chest. He dies the next day. He is later connected to at least two other robberies that took place in the previous weeks, at least one of which included a shooting (I cannot remember if that one was fatal.)
Be armed, move quickly, return fire
About 5 minutes in was a third chance to shoot the perp. The perp had a gun, has pointed it at the storkeeper. Now at this point you would be shooting the perp in the back, and the prosecuting attorney will have a field day with that. But I guess if your life is threatened, you really have no choice. But even from the video, would the jury think the guy was turning to leave or going to come back at him again? Of course he had two earlier chances to shoot but it may have taken those to get his mind set to what he has to do to get out of this alive. Sadly, he either had no gun or didn't take any of the opportunities.
As the video states, look for opportunity.
That and be well trained. John mentions draw times assuming from concealment in the vid. Thats certainly valid and worth practicing.
If one can't find THR approved training, at least practice some drills from 3yds and out drawing with your EDC from concealment. Throw in some movement for bonus points.
I may feign compliance to facilitate drawing and I may get shot / crippled / killed as a result but it will happen on my feet, not my knees.
I am not putting my fate at the sole discretion / "mercy" of a thug.
In general, if they start marching you to the back of a store, good possibility they have execution in mind, and you should take your best shot, so to speak.
There were a rash of store shootings in the 70's in NYC. One of my fellow officers was in a hardware store in lower Manhattan back then when a holdup was announced and they started herding people to the back. Kenny ducked behind a column and opened fire. He missed all three shoots, but the skells took off and the threat ended.
It may well provide the best chance of survival.
contemporary criminals is that being submissively put to your knees means the end is very near. These criminals are not like the bank heist professionals in HEAT as played by Robert DeNiro, Val Kilmer, and Tom Sizemore. They are far more sinister and vicious and obviously with no ability to envision the future.
I won't bore everyone with the details, but several years ago a disgruntled ex-husband in my neighborhood took his family and in-laws hostage and he shot them all 7 of them execution style (including his own kids) because everyone complied with his demands.
You can call me a liar and an A-hole (or worse) but I'm not going out on my knees if there is any chance otherwise.
When the authorities keep letting this type back on the street they need to be held responsible and prosecuted for aiding and abetting crime. If the judges own arse is hanging in the balance, he will think twice before letting a multiple-felony perp back on the street.
Della Witt-Denizeri complied and was subsequently tied up, doused in lighter fluid and set on fire. Miraculously she survived. This occurred in Palestine , Texas- population: 17,906 The perp got life.
How do you know if the person will or will not shoot?
Your opening, should one arise, may be a chance to draw and fire, a chance to attempt a disarm, or a chance to bolt. I'm not too proud to run like a scared rabbit if that's the chance I get. If that's all I have other than certain execution, I'm taking it. Even if I catch a bullet or two as I go, my chances are still higher than with an arm's-reach shot to the head while on my knees.
Many disarm techniques involve feigning compliance while holding one's hands up, palms facing the aggressor, in a submissive manner, while gently closing distance to within grabbing range. Training in this, both the fake submission and the actual disarm, should be in your mental arsenal. So should flight techniques.
quickly ascertaining if one is dealing with a "classic" robber or a "psychotic" robber.
One would think crime data has been gathered to establish characteristics that each type usually displays?
If someone is taking action that merits a justifiable lethal force response from me, I think their action is psychotic - I wouldn't call it rational.
Absolutely! If I'm in doubt as to whether my attacker is rational or psychotic, why should I give HIM the benefit of the doubt?
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