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Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Deanimator, Oct 14, 2016.

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  1. Deanimator

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    I keep hearing calls for "compromise" on gun control from a tiny minority of gun owners, yet the definition of "compromise" is elusive and ever shifting.

    What IS this so-called "compromise"?

    • "universal background checks" (aka REGISTRATION)
    • magazine bans
    • "assault weapon" bans
    • user licensing
    • bans on carry
    • a handgun ban
    And assuming that any of these things is conceded, what exactly prevents them from only being Charles Schumer's "first good step"?

    What exactly are the advocates of "compromise" willing to give up... FIRST?

    Oh, and what do we get BACK in return?
     
  2. gotmine

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    Subjugation.
     
  3. Sheepdog1968

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    I think compromise is the new code word from the anti gunners to replace their last code word which was common sense gun laws. I'm not taking the bait from them.
     
  4. Deanimator

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    What I find truly interesting are the "gun owners" who promote this sort of "compromise"... without any example of where it DIDN'T lead to more and worse "compromise".
     
  5. Jackal

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    We've had universal background checks here in WA for 2 years now. These require FFL transfer for face to face sales. Know how many people have been prosecuted? Zero. Zero people, in 2 whole years, have been prosecuted. Gun crime has actually risen in the same time frame. Thugs, hoodlums and gang members trading drugs for handguns arent going to FFL dealers for a transfer. Who'd have guessed?:scrutiny:
     
  6. Deanimator

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    I believe that Charles Schumer once described that technique to Pat Buchanan (off camera, of course) as "the camel's nose under the tent".
     
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    The compromising gun owners that I am around would say, "Well, we have to do SOMETHING!", and when asked why, why do we have to come to the table with a concession on our rights, they answer back with, "If we don't make the first move, they will take a larger bite out of our gun rights".

    You see, they are already gripped by fear and are willing to give up a bit of their (your) liberty in order to secure a perceived safety to the remnant of said liberty.

    Feelings, not logic, that is.
     
  8. Dr. Sandman

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    Deanimator-
    I like your attitude of giving something up to get something. That is the right idea. I believe that the right and left have more in common than we think, and that skillful politicians use the issues that divide us to their advantage. Issues like religion, the gay issues, marijuana, sexism, racism are great dividers. Obama should go down in history as a great divider. Everybody wants to preserve some form of social security, stabilize the dollar, protect us from terrorism, and usher in an era of prosperity. These are the issue that unite us.

    When it comes to guns, I would be in favor of universal background checks if they were free, and there were no records made and no records stored with regard to the transaction. It is a yes or no, and then that is it. No records, no registrations, no nothing. In exchange, I want the right to purchase new, full auto weapons, and a repealing of the NFA of 1934.
     
  9. jmorris

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    Compromise to a liberal stops when you agree 100% with them or are dead and they have your money.
     
  10. 4v50 Gary

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    Miss Nancy (Reagan) taught us something decades ago: "Just say no."

    We've done our bit and if the antis want to move into a No-2A housing development, be my guest. I hope they enjoy the TSA guy screening everyone as they come and go.
     
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    jmorris wrote:

    ^^^^^^^^^^ There's your answer folks, listen up!

    NO compromise in any way, shape or form.
     
  12. Deanimator

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    The problem is that in 40+ years of being involved in this issue, I've NEVER seen sincerity on the other side. Their "compromise" is ALWAYS "We'll take THESE rights... TODAY."

    For them, tomorrow is always another day...
     
  13. RX-79G

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    The problem with the 2A crowd is that we have so thoroughly convinced ourselves that "compromise" is such a dirty, unConstitutional idea that we have completely abandoned our senses.

    One of the ways to "compromise" is to write the laws ourselves before our enemies do. And in so doing, pull the teeth on those laws.



    Imagine, just for instance, a "universal background check" that is free, can be performed on any smart phone or internet computer in 10 minutes and the system doesn't database ownership information - it just checks the serial number against stolen weapon records and that's it.



    This is certainly a "compromise" from the standpoint that we have given something up, but at the same time it gives us control of the system. The gun control crowd's objections about enforcement are easily met by pointing out that going to an FFL, like here in WA, is something only law abiding people do anyway, so this achieves everything they said they wanted without registering anyone's gun or paying a fee.


    I envision a whole range of toothless laws like this that demonstrate a commitment to firearms regulation, while preventing the really dangerous laws from popping up. This is how it is done with plenty of other types of legislation, but the 2A people have been frankly too stupid to take this tack. Except, with CCL, where we have voluntarily proposed and accepted gun control, to our advantage.
     
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    I wonder if they were okay when we "did something" and created Prohibition, or the Patriot Act, etc. Laws shouldn't involve emotion.

    UBC is on the ballot here, and last I checked the polls suggest it will pass :( ... at least unless Las Vegas secedes soon. I would like an option to check NICS as a private citizen, unfortunately there's a $25 fee for buying from a FFL. A CCW will let you avoid that, so it's an interesting situation where the Bloomberg crowd are encouraging concealed carry indirectly.
     
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    Another toothless law would be an extensive ban of "assault weapons", which includes a definition that pretty much no semiautomatic rifle would ever meet. In other words, ban what's already banned by the NFA, but call those full auto guns "assault weapons" in law, so the term is forever disassociated from semiautomatic weapons.

    Or, we could propose a ban on "high capacity magazines", which would be defined as any magazine capable of holding more than 40 rounds, and have a grandfather provision for Beta C-mags. This redefines "high capacity" into a meaningless term, puts a law on the books that can be referred to by our side as us "doing something" and makes the passage of a similar but more restrictive law extremely difficult.
     
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    A compromise is where both parties get something out of the deal.

    When I hear 'compromise' from a gun control advocate, i think of this:
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  17. Dr. Sandman

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    This is from HRC's Website. HRC will...
    I think she means the constitution when she talks about "sweeping legal protection".

    How about paying for the UBC system (that we get in exchange for full auto and NFA act repeal) by imposing a 10% tax on campaign donations to the Dems?
     
  18. Deanimator

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    Kind of like the NAACP writing Jim Crow laws or rabbis writing the Nuremberg Laws?

    Or maybe like the rape victim paying for a motel room for the act?

    Giving up your rights preemptively is still giving up your rights.
     
  19. RX-79G

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    Do you guys realize that concealed carry permits ARE gun control, we lobbied for them and we got them passed, and they are a compromise?
     
  20. Deanimator

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    Do you realize that a growing number of states have constitutional carry?
     
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    If lawmakers have never held a gun in their hands, they certainly shouldn't be taking them out of mine.
     
  22. RX-79G

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    No, it's more like the energy lobby writing environmental laws, or big pharma writing medical laws.
     
  23. Deanimator

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    They shouldn't be taking them regardless.
     
  24. RX-79G

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    Yup. And what did they have before that?


    Was "don't ask, don't tell" a restriction on gays in the military, or a door to the current laws?



    If you want to win, you have to play the game. I sometimes wonder why gun owners keep being told to stay out of the legislation process. Who keeps telling them to not participate, when it is obviously a losing game plan?
     
  25. Deanimator

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    Of course the goal isn't the ELIMINATION of drugs OR energy...
     
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