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Concealed carriers can be the worst people.

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by wild cat mccane, Oct 4, 2009.

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  1. wild cat mccane

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    I got a guy to grab his gun yesterday just by looking at him while I was with my girlfriend yesterday.

    I don't know what it is, but since I have gotten my permit I have noticed guns in pockets more. A lot more. Well yesterday while walking into a bar with my girlfriend and her friends when two guys walk out. They are in their 40's and I can clearly make an outline in one of the guys pocket of an auto.

    They start checking out my lady as we walk by so I just looked over at them and the guy immediately shoved his hand into his pocket and grabbed the handle, now confirming it was a gun.:scrutiny:

    I did not threaten him, I did not say anything. I didn't even give him more then a simple eye contact that portrayed only I see you looking, lets keep it civil and keep the looks above here neck. Simple look.

    I respect the right to carry, but I have noticed since I got my permit prudence isn't always being exercised in the carry community.
     
  2. AKElroy

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    were you carrying as well?
     
  3. kdstrick

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    Interesting. I've had my CHL since 1996 and never had a confrontation, or near-confrontation like that.

    Pretty crazy that guys were leaving a bar and carrying concealed. That is clearly illegal.
     
  4. John Parker

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    Perhaps he doesn't have the same mastery of non-verbal communication that you do. And you may not know this, but human males look at women pretty much constantly...
     
  5. AKElroy

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    The reason I asked if you were carrying is to have you really consider if you were a little LESS concerned about having a confrontation because you were carrying.
     
  6. ArmedBear

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    No kidding.

    What sort of eye contact did you make with him, and what sort of bar?

    And what does "your lady" mean?

    That look, whatever it is, seems like it could be seen as a threat, to me.

    There are a few ways to avoid having men look at "your lady".

    1. Only date really ugly women, although if you go WAY into ugly, people might still stare.
    2. Get married. They might look, but seeing the ring generally means they'll be thinking, "You did good, buddy." And you might have less reason to feel the need to protect "your property" from every buzzed man you see, if you can use the word "wife" instead of "lady."
    3. Take her to a gay bar. Gay men won't be interested, and lesbians aren't men, so I suppose you wouldn't care if they check her out. Of course, some of those women might also beat the crap out of you.:p And she may not like the guys checking you out, either.

    I'd agree with you about some concealed carriers not being the "best" people. I'm just not entirely sure which party is which, here...

    Also, I couldn't care less if I "print" in most situations. That doesn't mean that I have any intention of threatening anyone. OC is legal in my state, anyway. Some businesses don't care for it, though, so I keep the gun concealed enough that they can't really say anything.

    Funny story. I was on the way to go grouse hunting the mountains with my bird dog, where there are some of those introduced Canadian wolves we don't much care for around here. I had a .357 on my belt, in case I had to protect my dog, since wolves will attack dogs.

    So I'm at the gas station in the city, topping off the Jeep since there's no gas where I'm going. A guy comes up to me, seemed kinda desperate. Asked me if he could have a couple of bucks to put a little gas in his car to get home. I said, "sure" and gave it to him, and he put about 3/4 gallon in his car. I turned the other way, he saw the shiny Smith and Wesson for the first time, and he said, "You have a PISTOL!" as his eyes got kinda big. I laughed and told him where I was going, got in the Jeep and took off.

    See, a lot of people who carry aren't particularly scary...

    Projection, perhaps?
     
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  7. skoro

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    So, in your state it's legal to carry weapons in a bar? I thought that was pretty much universally taboo. :scrutiny:
     
  8. X-Rap

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    Not on my planet.
     
  9. Frank Ettin

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    And was the guy an upright citizen legally carrying a concealed weapon? Or was he some low life, belligerent thug carrying illegally?
     
  10. Ed Ames

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    Texas law's aren't "pretty much universal". Texas just has weird hangups about alcohol (example: there are actual DRY COUNTIES in Texas).
     
  11. mustang_steve

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    To me, he just threatened you. In some states, that action is considered brandishing, despite the weapon not being fully revealed.

    I'm doubtful he was a legal CC'er....probably the typical thug wannabe. Most CCers seem to want to remain concealed, instead of advertising theey are armed.

    Either way, I'd be watching him very closely after that, as well as notifying authorities on his display.
     
  12. THE DARK KNIGHT

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    Yep. For every High Road poster there's a dozen morons with a gun out there. Sounds like you ran into someone with a high BAC and low realization of reality.
     
  13. TimM

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    Personally, I am proud when I have a girl that every guy wants to "eye-ball".

    I would also concur that they guy might have been carrying illegally.
     
  14. Oyeboten

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    'Bars'...seem to be reliably associated with the potential for encountering unpleasant/difficult/troubled/insecure/untogether/intoxicated people, and, incidents involving them.

    Too bad it is that way...


    Having an attractive female at one's elbow, does not help.
     
  15. bigfatdave

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    Your extra attention on spotting people packing is probably giving you false positives, for starters. For all you know, her was checking his wallet or phone.
    When packing (particularly with a cheap holster), adjustments are occasionally necessary. Some people make adjustments without thinking about it. I make an effort to adjust in a private spot, but I'm sure someone has spotted it by now, I highly doubt they felt threatened.
    Eyeballing someone on the street might make them uncomfortable, for all we know, you're 7 feet tall and covered with hair, and this guy exiting was feeling threatened by YOU.

    Legality of carrying in bars varies, but packing intoxicated is generally frowned on, and is universally an asshat thing to do. Considering that you don't even have a state listed for location, I can't even form an opinion on legality, but what I can say is that you were not "threatened" and "brandishing" did not occur, all your account seems to relay is a case of "printing" on someone's part and jumping to conclusions on yours. Perhaps you should give other citizens the same benefit of the doubt that you would expect in the same situation.
     
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    The ridiculousness of the opening post of this thread makes me want to post all kinds of inappropriate things but mostly I'm just wondering why the OP is checking the outlines in other peoples pockets.....
     
  17. meef

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    So you have one encounter that you determined was negative in some way and you post "Concealed carriers can be the worst people."

    Geez. Does every individual experience you have cause you to broad-brush every person who fits into whatever category?

    Did you ever consider that maybe the guy felt threatened by you when he noticed you were eyeballing his crotch region?

    Seemed like you stated that you were looking there before he ever got around to checking out your lady.

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    Well then, turn in your permit and things should go back to the way they were.

    :cool:
     
  18. JoeShmoe

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    You should move to NY. Not illegal here.
     
  19. nathan

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    Men look to admire. As long they dont make funky moves or else...
     
  20. Deltaboy1984

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    Lossen up and stop eyeballing strangers so hard.
     
  21. huntsman

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    ?????? what handle????
    maybe he was just glad to see you :)
     
  22. MCgunner

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    If the guy is willing to walk into a bar with a concealed weapon, who's to say he actually has a CCW permit for it?
     
  23. marv

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    From my observations in ChinaMart and other stores/malls I have concluded that: If they are gonna show it, I am gonna look at it.
     
  24. Double Naught Spy

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    So if it was clearly the outline of an auto (you said clearly), then how does reaching in confirm it is a gun? Weird.

    So you got the guy to grab what you think was his gun, huh? Okay. You say you did nothing to provoke it. Maybe you didn't. Maybe he is simply a new carrier and is doing that all too frequent gun check? However, since you think you got him to do it, then maybe you did provoke it, contrary to what is claimed. More weirdness, huh?

    In the words of the immortal Sgt. Hulka, "Lighten up, Francis."
     
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  25. MCgunner

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    I walk around with my hand in my pocket on the gun all the time. It's one of the advantages of pocket carry.
     
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