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Concealed carriers can be the worst people.

Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by wild cat mccane, Oct 4, 2009.

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  1. NMGonzo

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    I used to be rather vociferous while riding my bicycle to work, in particular with people yelling at me (mind you that I was riding within my legal rights and common sense), but that changed when I started carrying.

    I could not give 4 shats.
     
  2. Demitrios

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    You know a lot of people here believe in the right to carry, including myself and my family. I also believe in others rights to carry. However what I'm seeing here is I'll exercise my rights over exercising discretion. Sam you say that I think people should disarm themselves and everything will be OK, what I'm saying is guns and alcohol do not mix. There are many reasons I say this, like how anti's jump all over the news immediately after a firearm incident occurs, even the most minute of circumstances. Your lack of discretion could essentially be the basis for a new law to be passed due to someone else's bias. So yeah, there are certain times you should disarm yourself.

    Unloved you claim that the world is full of objects able to be used as weapons.
    #1 I was a bouncer for almost 10 years, I have a pretty good idea about that concept.
    #2 Many people on this forum are fond of the saying, "God created man, Colt made them equal.". Well your claim that the world is full of weapons so what does it matter who carries where is essentially the same thing as saying, "Well I've got a knife and he's got a gun so it's fair.". Are you going to stop carrying now because the world is full of improvised weapons?
    #3 Anything that could impare your judgement coupled with something with a great responsibility like carrying a firearm do not mix, period. If it did then you probably other mind altering substances are alright to futz around with while carrying as well.
    #4 I didn't say you can't go into a restaurant ad have a glass of wine while carrying, alcohol affects people differently based on weight, prior alcohol consumption and how long it takes to absorb into the body (i.e. people with full stomachs absorb alcohol slower).

    The bottom line is we're allowed to carry, it's our right, but it's a right given to us based on the trust that we can exercise caution. Putting yourself in a place that serves primarily alcohol is the same as me going to a bar after an alcohol intervention and saying, "HEY GUYS! I'm just here to watch!". While there are exceptions they're few and far between and it's not a good idea.
     
  3. unloved

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    I want to continue this discussion, but I don't think it belongs in this thread. I'm going to start a thread in General.
     
  4. Sam1911

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    Demitrios deserves to have his points answered. But, especially as we JUST had a thread which covered these poinst well closed because it had strayed from the original topic, I agree with unloved.

    Suffice it (for here) to say I disagree, almost point-for-point, and it takes quite a bit of willpower to not respond here, BUT...

    Let's agree to drop the guns and alcohol topic here and take in up, IN EARNEST in another thread.

    See you there!

    -Sam
     
  5. ferretray

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    I learned a long time ago that bars are frequented by quite a variety of folks, many that a person with good sense would not choose to be around.
    Nothing good ever comes of hanging in those places.
    I spent many years traveling the planet as a sailor and Marine, so I may have a little experience in such matters. You lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
     
  6. bluemailman53

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    In Tennessee you can carry in a bar. The kick is you can't have a drink while carrying.
     
  7. Flintknapper

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    wild cat mccane wrote:



    O.K., I think I understand it now. ;)


    Marty_Feldman.gif
     
  8. ThePants

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    I've spent a bit of time in a bar or two in my day and I've learned one important thing... The guy walking out of the bar tends to have a bit more booze in him and be a little more irrational, and the guy walking into the bar needs to let him just go on home and sleep it off before drawing conclusions (or anything else for that matter).
     
  9. jdub3

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    I am amazed this non-event turned into such a long thread. OP- you are not certain that it was a gun, and even if it was, he never drew his weapon. What's the big deal? Why did this make you decide that CC'ers can be the worst people?

    I just don't understand but maybe -

    [​IMG]
     
  10. Shadow 7D

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    Guy walks into bar and stares at other guys ... um crotch.

    Other guy gives first guy the stink eye...

    Concealed carryers are bad people.

    That would be the same as saying that guy stare at crotches are gay
    See problem solved, the poor drunk was just a homophobe....
     
  11. ArchAngelCD

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    Wow, 5 pages and only 1 followup posts by the OP. (I think I smell a Troll)
    I thought we all knew the rules people, Do Not Feed The Trolls! :D
     
  12. wild cat mccane

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    Well here is my response.

    http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13545198

    This is where I live. This is near the area of where my original post came from. Concealed carrier. No I don't think we are bad people. I said can be.

    :neener:
     
  13. Floppy_D

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    Ya shoulda started out with that article. That guy needs to be behind bars, ASAP.
     
  14. manithree

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    That story wasn't in the news until today (it happened Saturday 10 Oct).

    The guy is behind bars: http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=8283058

    Strangely enough his original post didn't generate any sympathy here, either.
     
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  15. DAVIDSDIVAD

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    Whoa; in your collective face, everyone who trolled this thread by calling the OP a troll.
     
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  16. wild cat mccane

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    I didn't need to start with that article.

    I told my story. I don't need to tell others stories. Strangely I don't think I will get an apology to those who went off their moral high horse on me.
     
  17. mgkdrgn

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    Well, he wont be a CCW holder for much longer!
     
  18. Double Naught Spy

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    Great response. It has nothing to do with your incident, but great response. So basically what you are saying now is that Utah CCW people can be the worst people?

    I got the impression from your OP that the comment was reflexive.
     
  19. DAVIDSDIVAD

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    $:| seriously double naught?


    What are the odds that he makes up a complete fabrication about a belligerent CCW'er on the 4th, and then one matching the description in the original post gets pinched on the 10th???


    Also, whenever I see dudes checking out my lady either I tell her "Hey, those dudes are checking you out" and start laughing to eachother, or I'll give them the traditional TX greeting nod.

    Either way, I'm non-confrontational, and it's all good.



    Seems like a good policy now if there's permit holders out there like the guy in OP.
     
  20. meef

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    Riiiight...... :rolleyes:

    This thread has one of the silliest titles I've ever seen around here.

    Good grief. The whole concept is so ridiculous it's almost laughable.

    A guy has a (very) minor run-in with a couple of other guys.

    Based on his perceptions he posts this thread. Give me a freaking break.

    What if the guy who ogled his girlfriend had been walking using a cane? Would the thread have then been "Handicapped people can be the worst people."

    What if the guy who ogled his girlfriend had been wearing his tool belt from working on his house? Would the thread have then been "Carpenters can be the worst people."

    What if, etc., etc., ad nauseam?

    In my opinion, five pages later this has either been one of the most recently successful trollings or.... well, forum rules prohibit me stating my other conclusion.

    Geez....

    :cool:
     
  21. Gelgoog

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    wait maybe I read all this wrong. is the OP saying that the guy in the article is the same guy he ran into?
     
  22. DAVIDSDIVAD

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    This is what five pages of thread have boiled down to:

    A bunch of people feeling butthurt because they feel they've been grouped into a group such as "the worstpeople"





    that's how I took it, Gelgoog, and I buy it.
     
  23. steveracer

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    Wow.
    I think you all need to be VERY nice to Wild Cat. He's a little fragile. Also, some of us live near him.
     
  24. D!rty H@rry

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    i stopped reading after 1 1/2 pages.

    a. possible troll

    b. lots of peeps carrying now with the big surge in ownership that have no right/mindset/maturity or bizness carrying.

    c. both
     
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  25. metallic

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    Or d) he's easily offended

    Unless the gun was actually drawn, this is a non-story.
     
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