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Concealed Carry 9mm Auto Pistols

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by perdurabo93, Nov 28, 2006.

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  1. perdurabo93

    perdurabo93 Member

    Jan 27, 2006
    Right now I'm carrying a S&W 340PD revolver in .357 mag as my usual carry piece and after shooting several 9mm pistols with +P and +P+ ammo, Im considering an upgrade to a light compact high capacity 9mm for concealed carry. So help me find a good choice.

    Here are my requirements:

    -Must have a 10 round or more capacity (preferably 12) in 9mm
    -Must be rated for 9mm +P or preferably +P+ (Winchester Rangers)
    -Must be under 20oz unloaded weight (preferably with a titanium slide)
    -Must be DA/SA, absolutely NO DAOs will be considered (I realize this may limit my options considerably).
    -Must have a manual safety (thumb operated, a trigger aint no damn safety unless its a revolver)
    -Must have 3-dot night sights available for it (preferably as a factory option)

    I've been looking at the Kahr PM9, but its got an uuuugly DAO trigger and no manual safety. Its also not got much capacity-wise. If I only wanted 6 rounds , I'd carry a 45acp.

    The pistol that seems to fit the bill best so far is the Taurus PT111. There appears to be a PT111 that comes with a with a titanium slide and night sights standard, but from what I can tell it was only ever made in a DAO model, not DA/SA.... but for some reason I cant fine ANY information on the Taurus site about their titanium frame/slide pistols... did they discontinue these or something? The steel slide DA/SA PT111s are allright, but the Heine straight-8 sights are craptacular and I cant seem to find out whether night sights are available. No mention of whether they can handle +P or +P+. Anyone have clarification here on what exactly is available for the PT111?

    Any other pistol suggestions within my requirement parameters?
  2. bobaloo

    bobaloo Member

    Dec 22, 2005
    Have you actually shot the Kahr? Mine has one of the nicest double action triggers I've ever shot. All my other handguns are single action 1911's and HiPowers, but the Kahr is easy to shoot well.

    They're so thin and concealable they make a great gun when you need serious concealment or as a BUG, I've been extremely happy with mine.

    The other option is something like the Kimber Ultra Carry, only 7 rounds but in a .45, seems to meet all your other needs and I'd rather have 7 rounds of .45 than 10 rounds of 9mm.
  3. pablo45

    pablo45 Member

    Apr 28, 2006
    kel tec p11
  4. PX15

    PX15 Member

    Jan 21, 2004
    SE Georgia

    Here ya go friend..

    Everything your little heart desires in one sweet package...

    Super accurate, 10+1, drop free mags w/dual mag release, quick trigger (striker) reset, 2nd strike capable, visual cocked indicator, visual (red) round chambered indicator, excellent grip ergonomics, with optional replaceable backstraps, three dot sights, rear adjustable, front replaceable with one of 4 elevation options included, decocker incorporated into the top rear of slide so will not snag. Two mags, one with fingertip ext. one flat.. Drop safe..

    Extra factory mags available from CDNN for $19.99 + shipping.

    Takedown is accomplished by: Pulling slide slightly to rear, pull slide release tab, pull slide off.... Clean..

    If I had to compare the P99c/AS to any other pistol I've ever owned it would be the Glock 26.. The Walther is like a Glock 26 on steroids, with the crappy grip fixed, the "always light, ad/nd looking to happen trigger" corrected and more accurate right out of the box. The other goodies are just icing on the cake.

    Three trigger modes. DA (8.8lb), SA (4.4), Long SA trigger pull (4.4lbs.)

    Oh yes.. You might ask about the requirement for an "thumb mounted manual safety".. Apparently you are completely satisfied with a revolver with no thumb mounted manual safety, depending (I guess) on the heavy da trigger pull to prevent ad/nd's?

    There is ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE between the potential safety of a revolver da trigger, and the da trigger on the Walther P99c/AS.

    You are "suppose" to keep your finger off the trigger anyway until you are ready to shoot something, and if you do your part the sweet Walther P99c/AS trigger/striker will NEVER pull it's on trigger. The 8.8lb da trigger pull will give you the PRECISE SAME SAFETY AGAINST An AD/ND AS THE da trigger on a revolver.. No more, no less...

    My favorite revolver is in fact a S&W J-frame Airweight Bodyguard w/Crimson Trace Lasergrips.. The safety on the Bodyguard is obviously the da trigger pull. I have at my disposal with the 638 5rds of 38cal +p rounds..

    The Walther P99c/AS offers me ELEVEN 9MM +P rounds in approximately the same size package. The Walther P99c/AS has a safety too... It's the 8.8lb trigger pull.

    In years of severe testing no one has ever been able to make the Walther P99c/AS pull its own trigger and cause an ad/nd.. NEVER.

    I can never get it clear in my mind why a person is comfortable with a revolver with no "safety" (other than da trigger pull) yet is adament that a pistol using a da first round is somehow less safe.. It simply doesn't compute.

    I would hate to see you pass on what I personally consider a premier cc pistol with fantastic qualities, including fantastic accuracy, simply because you had an unreasonable fear of the dreaded pistol da trigger pull when you don't have the same concerns about the da trigger pull of a revolver..

    Best Wishes,

    J. Pomeroy
  5. AK103K

    AK103K Member

    Dec 27, 2002
    A little over on the weight.

    SIG P229 in 9mm and 357SIG.(9mm starting out at +P+ levels in a gun built to take it)

  6. vince24L

    vince24L Member

    Oct 22, 2006
    2nd the p99compact. perfect. you'll understand once you hold one of them. and then go shoot it and see how accurate it is. the perfect gun in my eyes.
  7. gbelleh

    gbelleh Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    HK USP Compact with DA/SA and thumb safety seems to meet your requirements (except maybe weight and titanium slide).
  8. 10-Ring

    10-Ring Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    I would think of a HK P2000sk :cool:
  9. dbarale

    dbarale Member

    Apr 11, 2006
    Asheville, NC
  10. KI4LIV

    KI4LIV Member

    Jul 21, 2006
    Melbourne, FL
    Lets not forget about Taurus... My full time carry pistol is a PT-111 Pro stainless.. have to say that I absolutely love it, and damned accurate too!

    I have put 250 rounds of Winchester SXT 147gr through it, as well as over 1000 rounds of a combination of WWB and Blazer Brass - not the first burb, hiccup, or flinch... It's functioned flawlessly!

    Photos Here
  11. mole

    mole Member

    Jul 21, 2005
    I just recieved the Taurus catalog yesterday. The 111 now comes in SA/DA and all Taurus guns are +P rated. It doesn't say anything about the sights and only a 24/7 and an 85 .38 special are shown in titanium.

    I think the 111 is going to be my next purchase.
  12. Dollar An Hour

    Dollar An Hour Member

    Sep 30, 2005
    Mesa, AZ
    I like the P99c AS suggested above, but it doesn't have your manual thumb safety requirement. Nite Sights would have to be an aftermarket addition. It's also not +P rated, though lots of guys carry +P in their P99s, I wouldn't feed my pistol a steady diet of them.

    I also like the S&W CS9 which seems to meet all your requirements except factory NS.

    Take a look at the Sig P239, maybe in .357Sig. It's like 9mm +P+ all the time! :evil:
  13. ugaarguy

    ugaarguy Moderator Staff Member

    Mar 19, 2006
    With modern semi-autos you've got to look past the DAO & DA/SA traditional definitions. Glocks have the striker pre-cocked about 60% and the trigger pull finishes cocking and then releases the striker. It's a lightened or partially pre-cocked form of DA. S&W uses a pretensioned mainspring on some of their conventional hammer & firing pin autos; the trigger pull finishes fully tensioning the mainspring and cocks the hammer thru the full range bafore releasing it. The result is a light & smooth DA trigger pull. Kel-Tec uses a similar system on the P3AT and PF-9; Para's LDA, SIG's DAK, and HK's LEM all operate in a similar fashion as well.

    You're comfortable carrying a DA revolver with no safety, yet you exclude DAO autos all together, and insist on a manual safety for DA/SA autos, claiming "...a trigger aint no damn safety unless its a revolver...". In a hammer fired DA/SA auto there is NO difference in safety. A DAO auto (not one of the lightened DA designs like I mention above) is just like a DA revolver in terms of trigger operation. I'm having trouble following these limitations. Regardless, it's your gun, your money, and you're prference, so i'll try to respond within those limitations.

    Limitations factored in, SIG only offers their P series autos with a manual safety in SAO, & Ruger's P series doesn't offer a compact. Off the top of my head only the S&W Chief's Special autos and the HK USPc meet the compact DA/SA auto with manual safety requirement. The CZ Rami and 75 compact would also be options to look at, though I believe the DA/SA models with a safety must be manually decocked - far more dangerous than carrying DA/SA without a safety as you're manually lowering the hammer on a live round and not using a decocker with hammer block. CZ does offer decocker models, but I believe you lose the manual safety when go to a decocker. Hopefully that's helpful.
  14. camacho

    camacho Member

    Aug 20, 2006
    Well, nowhere in the manual it says that the 111s are +P rated, the only reference is this one:
    which is not endorsement of +P ammo.

    Otherwise the 111 is an excellent gun and I will highly recomend it but I am not sure about the +P rating.
  15. alpha6164

    alpha6164 Member

    Nov 24, 2006
    In no particular order: Not all meet every one of your requirements, but i think this list should be considered by anybody considering a 9mm CCW.

    1)Kahr PM9
    2)Kimber Ultracarry II
    3)Springfield Armory XD subcomact
    4)HK P2000SK
    5)HK P7M8 (does not have 10 rounds) but has to be mentioned as one of the best and most accurate 9mm ever made. Plus safe as hell with the squeeze grip design.
    6) SIG P239
    7) Glock 26
    8) Walter P99 or its S&W brother

    If price was not an issue, i would either take the HK P2000SK or P7M8 without a doubt.
  16. 45crittergitter

    45crittergitter Member

    Sep 24, 2003
    The Kel-Tec P11 is what most of us would call DAO.

    The new Taurus 24/7 may meet the requirements - I'm not sure about the weight.
  17. modifiedbrowning

    modifiedbrowning Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    Bozeman, MT
  18. mosttoyswins

    mosttoyswins Member

    Nov 6, 2005
    San Antonio, TX
    Keep your booger hook off the trigger and you don't have to worry about the manual safety (and a nice IWB holster that covers the trigger)...one of the best...G26
    Otherwise this fits most of your requirements...CZ 2075 RAMI
  19. mole

    mole Member

    Jul 21, 2005
    The manual for my pt92 states that it is +P rated. The second page of the 2006 catalog has at the bottom left in large letters "+P Rated for Duty Use." The writing below states "All Taurus handguns, including the [insert several metals] accept Plus-P ammo"

    It could be that if your's has a little age on it the manual didn't include that info or maybe the older ones weren't rated for +P. I personally wouldn't feed it a steady diet of +P because it would probably lead to it wearing out sooner.
  20. kokapelli

    kokapelli Member

    Jan 27, 2004
    The current Taurus PT111 PRO can only be carried in single action!

    It does not have a decocker.

    Once you chamber a round it is fully cocked and it is not just partially cocked like a Glock or Kahr.

    If you buy a new PT111, you are going to be carrying a fully cocked single action pistol just like a 1911, but it is striker fired.

    What really irritates me about Taurus is that they still list their PT line of pistols as DA/SA, which implies that you can carry in a double action mode.

    Well you can't carry their current production pistols in double action.

    There is no decocker and they can only be carried single action.

    Here is their website________
    Last edited: Nov 29, 2006
  21. DogBonz

    DogBonz Member

    Sep 23, 2006
    For your specifications

    I'd go with the HK Usp or P2000. If you would go a little haevier, then a SIG 229 would be a great fit.
  22. bb21

    bb21 Member

    Sep 22, 2006

    I recently purchased the Mil Pro SA/DA after a lot of research and comparison. For me the grip fit my hand much better than the other subcompacts. As for the +P you should be ok from what I have read in the manual, now +P+ I am not too sure about that. Night sights are available I believe Heinie makes them and possibly a couple of other manufactures. I am not real sure how easy it would be to get the Titanium slide, but you will probably be limited with that with any of your choices. I would also suggest the XD9sc, but you have to be ok with the grip safety as your required safety. Also the CZ Rami is a close fit, I don't think Titanium is an option though and the weight could be an issue. For the money the Mil Pro is the way to go and you can get your night sights and a couple of Mec Gar mags for the same price as the XD or CZ. Good Luck and Be Safe!
  23. CZ52GUY

    CZ52GUY Member

    Jul 22, 2003
    New England
    Sounds like you already picked the PT111

    There are several outside of your specifications that I'd recommend you try, the Glock 26 or the Kahr being two of them.

    I've carried one or the other in my pocket or on my hip most of my waking hours for some time now. Which one depending on where I'm going, and what I'll be wearing. I still have all my important parts in one piece. I switch between Condition 1 and Condition 3 carry depending on circumstance. I practice pocket draws both Condition 1 and Condition 3. Most importantly, I practice with these pistols regularly. I can get very good hits out to 25 yards with both.

    However, you have to decide what works for you. If you set your heart on the PT111, go for it. Hopefully it will serve you well.

    Good luck!!

  24. Walkalong

    Walkalong Moderator

    Nov 20, 2006
    2 little 9mm's

    Kahr or EMP - have both, like both - Kahr is simpler for some.
  25. Seven High

    Seven High Member

    Dec 7, 2004
    Take a look at the CZ PCR or P01. Both are top notch weapons.
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