concealed carry in public schools Poll

Would you support concealed carry in public schools?

  • NO and I do have kids in public school

    Votes: 16 3.4%

  • No and I do NOT have kids in public school

    Votes: 32 6.9%

  • Yes and I do have kids in public school

    Votes: 189 40.6%

  • Yes and I do NOT have kids in public school

    Votes: 229 49.1%
  • Total voters
    466
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I voted yes, no kids in school.

Minors still shouldnt be allowed, but most CC laws prevent that anyway I think.

And any purse or briefcase carry MUST be locked up unless being actively carried.


This has nothing to do with 'requiring' teachers to carry. But those that feel the need or desire should be able to.
 
For the folks like me who don't have children in public schools but are funding the public school system through property tax money; I see this as a slap in the face. Its a PUBLIC school because its funded by the PUBLIC that means its mine, PUBLIC property is for everyone's lawful use, PUBLIC servants are required to do their duties and serve the public (never mind they don't), and PUBLIC places are open to the public. So everyone is allowed in public schools...except people who are legally permitted to carried a concealed weapon. Then the school system wonders why I, and like minded folk vote down every referendum I can. :cuss:
 
I don't have a kid in public school, but mine does work at a state run institution of higher(?) knowledge in Lousiana. So I chose "Yes and I do have kids in public school"
 
6.5x55swedish, I am beginning to suspect that you have never filled out a 4473 or applied for a CC permit ... you obviously don't give your fellow citizens the same benefit of the doubt that we would give to you, if you had a legal CC permit.
 
Wow. The only thing worse than letting criminals in the school is that there isn't anyone there, armed to stop them.
I voted, YES and I have two kids in public school.
How many lives would have been saved at Columbine?

Oh and by the way... my name is Joe....:D
 
Quiet said:
In CA, if you have a valid CCW permit, you can legally carry on school grounds.
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Really? I know that some schools in CA have zero tolerance policies on guns. A friend's son was suspended and missed HS rodeo because he had a hunting rifle in his truck.

Can you carry even on those HS campuses?
 
The blanket law applying to all schools and communities is simply a knee jerk reaction by politicians who wanted to appear to do "something" about some well publicized school shootings.

I taught school 30 years ago and we didn't need any such laws and such things where not even in the written rules. Common sense prevailed and there wasn't any school shooting either. There's been erosion of commonly held and unwriten societal standards since then with more control being asserted by the government and the legal process to the determent of all IMO. There's a lot of difference between communities and schools and such laws are too broad in their application to make sense for everyone.

I don't believe a concealed or loaded firearm has any place in a regular K-12 school or class room on a teacher or student. Some schools in large cities have armed police officers present during the day and that provides an armed response if needed. Firearms locked in a vehicle owned by a legal owner should not be prohibited.

In colleges and universities with students or staff that have a valid CCW or are LEO's then it should be allowed. While open carry in the classroom by non uniformed civilians may be legal, it is disruptive to the educational process and should be prohibited by the school rules, no law is necessary.
 
(Two bad guys deciding where to go kill a bunch of innocent children, after doing other terrible things,) "Well, a public library on a weekend might be a good idea, a day-care center, perhap........WAIT!! I'VE GOT IT!! At elementary schools, people are actually BANNED from protecting themselves. We can smash the phone junction box, walk in the front door, walk past the adults while they shake their fingers at us, and we can do whatever we want while they call on their cell phones and the switchboard figures out what the heck is going on. How much mayhem and destruction can we cause in 3-7 minutes?"

On the days I am free to take my kids to or from school, back to school nights, parent-teacher conferences, etc, I am always armed. When Utah wrote our carry laws, no one stood up and said; "You know what I think would be a good idea? Let's take the place where our kids are concentrated together on a regular basis, and take away out ability to protect it."

The other day, I was sitting on a concrete bench waiting for the bell to ring, and a sheriff deputy came out the front door with the principal, (I had seen her vehicle parked out front,) they were having a conversation something to the effect of; "Yeah, he apologized to the teacher and we are putting him back in class for now. At this time, no one wants to press charges, and if we have any more problems we will call you back." She said she was going to go watch the crosswalk at the corner. Bad things happen in schools every day.

I could open carry there, but I never have.
 
9MMare said:
Really? I know that some schools in CA have zero tolerance policies on guns. A friend's son was suspended and missed HS rodeo because he had a hunting rifle in his truck.

Can you carry even on those HS campuses?
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In CA,
valid CCW permit = exempt from gun free school zone laws [PC 626.9(l)].

School policy does not equal the law.

Your friend's son may have been suspended per school policy but he did not break the law [PC 626.9(c)(2)], unless the rifle was not being transported/stored properly.


CA Penal Code 626.9
(a) This section shall be known, and may be cited, as the Gun-Free School Zone Act of 1995.
(b) Any person who possesses a firearm in a place that the person knows, or reasonably should know, is a school zone, as defined in paragraph (1) of subdivision (e), unless it is with the written permission of the school district superintendent, his or her designee, or equivalent school authority, shall be punished as specified in subdivision (f).
(c) Subdivision (b) does not apply to the possession of a firearm under any of the following circumstances:
(2) When the firearm is an unloaded pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed on the person and is in a locked container or within the locked trunk of a motor vehicle. This section does not prohibit or limit the otherwise lawful transportation of any other firearm, other than a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed on the person, in accordance with state law.
(l) This section does not apply to a duly appointed peace officer as defined in Chapter 4.5 (commencing with Section 830) of Title 3 of Part 2, a full-time paid peace officer of another state or the federal government who is carrying out official duties while in California, any person summoned by any of these officers to assist in making arrests or preserving the peace while he or she is actually engaged in assisting the officer, a member of the military forces of this state or of the United States who is engaged in the performance of his or her duties, a person holding a valid license to carry the firearm pursuant to Article 3 (commencing with Section 12050) of Chapter 1 of Title 2 of Part 4, or an armored vehicle guard, engaged in the performance of his or her duties, as defined in subdivision (e) of Section 7521 of the Business and Professions Code.
 
This is not simple at all because outlaw kids could learn and try to disarm teachers. However, I voted yes because I think that is the right way to go.
 
This is not simple at all because outlaw kids could learn and try to disarm teachers. However, I voted yes because I think that is the right way to go.
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A) Retention training. You can shoot people with a gun, and you can also pistol-whip people.
B) Concealed means concealed
C) Actually punish the little brats and then maybe they'll behave and we wouldn't have students regularly assaulting teachers with near impunity like they do now.

I wouldn't teach in public school for anything- I'd rather be a prison guard.
 
How many innocent children have been killed in US by bullets at school? How many of those bullets were fired by CCW holders? How many might be killed by a CCW acting to stop a mass murderer? How many innocent lives might be saved by stopping said murderer before he plans on ceasing his killing spree?

I bet Joel Myrick wished he was carrying his on his person in Pearl MS school (in '97 i believe).


BTW I have 2 school aged kids. Criminals know where the current "gun-free zones" are.
 
If that was at the Lexington Ky show I signed it as well as my daughter I have a permit Criminals don't bother even trying So these silly can't carry laws don't bother them
 
Nope, I have not ever applied for a concealed carry permit. I have no reason to, I can open carry if I chose and where I am from you do not need a permit to carry concealed. I carried concealed for about two weeks after I turned 21, one of those do it because you can like buying alcohol. Then I lost interest and the handgun ended up back in the gun case.

I have no problem with concealed carry, however not on school property. Keep in mind that this petition I speak of was not to make concealed carry legal on school grounds, but to retract the law that states that guns are not allowed on school grounds. So when an 18 year old student walks to school with a rifle and does not kill somebody with it that will also be legal.
 
Just thinking about having to actually use a handgun in a school setting with all the priceless, irreplaceable students standing behind the next wall, or around the next corner, makes me sick to my stomach.
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It's better then to just allow a killer to go on unoppossed? Would you shoot knowing that if you didn't take the chance to stop him, he'd go on to kill 30 more kids? I understand not wanting to hit an innocent bystander, that would be terrible, but I truly believe that doing nothing and seeing more kids die would be far worse.
 
I am a teacher of many, many, many, many years experience in our public schools.

We live (at our school) in a "gun friendly" environemnt. Our school even has a shooting team. Guns are kept at the nearby sportsman club, however.

Students are not old enought to carry in school. Any that might be old enough probably ought not to carry if they are still in school at that age.

Many of the teachers here I know have LTCF in Pennsylvania. Others are not interested or even liberally anti-gun. All are intelligent enought to handle firearms responsibly, but many don't want to.

Overall, I don't think school carry is a good idea just because of the forced proximity and contact with so many young, immature children. The environmant is ripe for accidental contact, theft, misues, etc.

At best, I think those teachers very comnfortable with firearms and so inclined could pull it off.

(Yes, I am equivocating a bit.....Not everything is easy.)

BTW - to the OP, my preferred caliber of choice and last 5 rifles have been chambered in 6.5 X 55.
 
The 2nd Amendment applies to public schools because public schools weren't a question when the Constitution was written... 2nd Amendment applies anywhere the person goes, I think. Even if that includes political rallies or anyplace in the public... now, prisons of course are a different matter, because there are guards there supposed to do that job of security.... secured, locked-down prisons are no place for CCW ---- everywhere else, I'm for carrying concealed...
 
I would vote yes, but I don't have kids. Criminals and thugs don't care if it is a "gun free zone." I think if we had some students and teachers firing back at the lunatics who shoot up schools, maybe some lives will be saved. I would like to be able to legally carry a gun when I get out of a night class at 9PM or 10PM and have to walk across campus and a parking lot to get to my car. Campus Police, you say? I hardly feel safe trusting my life to a guy with a flashlight who lives in his mom's basement (no offense). I still don't trust my life to armed police guards. If they are taken down, then who is left?
 
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Two words: Kenneth Baumruk

From "The Missouri Lawyers Media:
"The Missouri Supreme Court has set an Aug. 7 execution date for Kenneth Baumruk, for his 1992 shooting spree in St. Louis County Circuit Court where he shot and killed his wife and wounded four others. During his divorce hearing in Division 38, Baumruk pulled out two .38 caliber revolvers, shooting and killing his wife"
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Ah, it was already illegal to carry a firearm in a courtroom in Missouri when this happened. And at that time it was illegal to carry a concealed firearm.

So how did those laws prevent this tragedy?
 
So I am interested in what some of us pro-gun Joe blows think
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This particular polling sample might be a bit biased. ;)

So how did those laws prevent this tragedy?
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You would be hard pressed to prove that any anti-gun laws prevent any tragedies. You can't just legislate away the evil deeds of mankind.
 
bigfatdave hit the nail on the head. Violent students and students with gang affiliations, etc should not be allowed in a public school under any circumstance. Let them get home-schooled, or make a special high-risk schooling just for these people.

I graduated from the "best" school in a violent city, and even there we had an incident where a kid in the bathroom had an Akransas Toothpick held up to his throat. How did it get past the metal detectors? It was smuggled in through a classroom window. Same for the SNS that were in the hands of the drug dealers and the like.

The point of it.....violent people WILL get weapons into a place regardless of laws, rules or preventative measures.
 
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