concealed carry in public schools Poll

Would you support concealed carry in public schools?

  • NO and I do have kids in public school

    Votes: 16 3.4%

  • No and I do NOT have kids in public school

    Votes: 32 6.9%

  • Yes and I do have kids in public school

    Votes: 189 40.6%

  • Yes and I do NOT have kids in public school

    Votes: 229 49.1%
  • Total voters
    466
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Yes i dont have a kid technically, but i have a sister and lots of family members in school. but make the teachers go threw extensive backgroundchecks, no pesonality issues, and specialized training. giving a avg teacher a gun scares me.
 
6.5x55swedish said:
So when an 18 year old student walks to school with a rifle and does not kill somebody with it that will also be legal.
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And who is the victim in that crime, as the law currently stands?
Show me a victim, show me someone injured/dead or damage done to property by the simple presence of a firearm, and I might consider keeping such a silly, pointless, insulting law on the books restricting the rights of free citizens.


mustang_steve said:
even there we had an incident where a kid in the bathroom had an Arkansas Toothpick held up to his throat. How did it get past the metal detectors?
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Oh, that couldn't happen now, the schools have felon and weapon repulsion fields, which won't let in anyone or anything dangerous. Just like all the other gun-free zones that won't let you through the door if you are CC'ing - the force-field activates and stops you from going through the door.
The only reason that shootings happen in gun-free zones is that sometimes the force-field is down for maintenance, and a criminal happens to get in ... they're always trying to get in, of course.
 
Bad things happen to good people in nice places. I voted yes.
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if there is one thing that really gets to me it is forcing honest people to be defenceless against those who would do them harm
 
Doesn't seem to be a problem in Utah,, all Public schools and some private are concealed carry Zones, k-college
 
I voted yes because as a lot of people said, I think it would make the schools safer. I know that there are a lot of innocent kids there, but who cares if they see their teacher shooting at someone shooting at them. I know when I was in school if someone walked in shooting, it would have been kick a. to see one of my teachers say "Aw heck no" and start shooting at him (or her).
 
My kids are no longer in the public schools. They've graduated and moved on. Most schools have a security arrangement of some type already in place. Here locally, the high schools and middle schools each have an armed police officer on campus. I could see expanding that to include a couple of armed security guys in addition to the cop.

But allowing concealed carry permit holders to carry on campus?

Nope. I think that's an invitation to disaster. :uhoh:
 
I don't like putting my life in the hands of some security guard or police officer. Some of them don't even practice with their weapons. I think the second amendment allows the carrying of a firearm anywhere. There is no mention of places you cannot carry.
Entire classrooms of kids get shot up because there was no one around to stop it. What are the chances of a security guard being in the right place at the right time. Who is to say he is not the first one killed?
 
I've read most of the replies in this thread. As a CCW holder with kids in public school, and a wife who is a public school teacher, I said "Yes." However, I'll add my "requirements."

If a teacher wants to carry, IMHO, he/she needs additional training than the mickey-mouse CCW class I had. I can truly say I learned almost nothing from my instructor. He was too interested in showing off his collection and being a good ol' boy. Case in point: I was shocked - shocked! - to find out a couple weeks ago it is illegal to have a weapon even in the car in a post office parking lot. He didn't tell us that. I learned it by reading the state manual, the texaschlforum forums, and here.

What I'm getting at is his imprimatur on the paperwork for the state was nothing but a means to an end. "Teacher," he was not. And it certainly did not TRAIN me to be a CCW holder. Qualify, yes; train, no. It is now my responsibility to train and be trained.

That is where I see the problem for teachers and other licensed adults carrying in school. For teachers, I would like to see an advanced training program like pilots receive. Specific things that need to be covered are keeping the weapon concealed; weapon retention (you would be amazed at the number of men and women who keep valuables in a briefcase or purse in their room, thinking it is safe. That lazy mentality will get a firearm stolen); non-deadly force; reaction to force, and finally, use of deadly force.

Teachers aren't cops, even though the system tries to make them into junior cops and lawyers. But if we are going to give teachers the option of being able to carry to help protect my kids, I want them as highly trained as possible - even if that means a secondary training session for them.

To make this personal, I am a pastor. I carry in my church. I am not yet at a spot where I can take advanced training from places like Front Sight (it's the only one that's coming to mind right now...the cold medicine has me a big foggy). So, I train myself by reading, listening to programs like Armed American Radio, and setting up scenarios at my range. It's what I can do, and I do it so that if the balloon goes up, I have a chance to react and hopefully save not only myself but members of my church, too. If my leaders said, "Pastor, we like what you are trying to do, but we think you need additional professional training," I would do my best to get it. That's my parallel with teachers. Where the parallel breaks down is that I am surrounded by people a couple hours a week. Teachers are surrpunded by kids all day, 5 days a week. While any CCW holder will benefit from training, they especially need higher levels if possible.

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My kid is in a private school... They don't have any signs prohibiting, and I've never asked if there's a regulation against it.

I wholeheartedly believe any legal CCW/CCL holder should be able to carry everywhere, even in Federal buildings, but that's another fight for another time.
 
My kids are no longer in the public schools. They've graduated and moved on. Most schools have a security arrangement of some type already in place. Here locally, the high schools and middle schools each have an armed police officer on campus. I could see expanding that to include a couple of armed security guys in addition to the cop.
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Let me pont out that there was an armed policeman in the school at Columbine -- he ran for help, abandoning the students.

But allowing concealed carry permit holders to carry on campus?

Nope. I think that's an invitation to disaster
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Concealed carry is allowed off campus, and guess what? No disasters!

Why would the character of concealed carry permit holders change when they cross the campus boundry?
 
Before all these gun free zones and gun control kids did bring their guns to school in many places and there were not a bunch of school shootings. Adults had them too and guns were really readily available and there were much less problems not more. The problem is society not the availability of guns.
In Isreal they are armed in schools and there is no problem.
Gun control creates an imbalance of power that favors tyrants and criminals. It does nothing to prevent massacres and in fact it increases the chance that massacres and genocide etc. will occur.
 
i voted YES and that i have no kids in school. however, i do have a 1-yo daughter and a son expected any day (as well as older nieces and nephews), and i have several uncles that are teachers. so the issue isn't one that's totally removed from personal attachment for me.
 
I voted yes. I have no kids in school. My kids are grown and my grandchildren are in college. My son, like his dad before him is a cop. He started out as a city police officer working patrol. He became a DARE officer and loved working with the kids. When the city wouldn't allow him to remain a DARE officer past the two year tour of duty he quit and went to work for the school district police department in another city because they hired him as a permanent DARE officer. He would be the first to tell you that a gun free school zone is an invitation to disaster. They simply do not have enough officers to keep one at every school campus. Response time to calls for assistance average 5 - 10 minutes. A lot can happen in 5-10 minutes. Each campus does have an unarmed security guard. But when confronting an crazed gunman they are utterly useless. All they can do is call for help & wait till help arrives. My kids & grandkids all learned to shoot & safe firearms handling at the age of four.

In Texas teachers, janitorial, cafeteria & all support staff, anyone who is employed by the school district must be fingerprinted and undergo an extensive federal & state background check before being hired. To obtain a Concealed Handgun License one must be 21 years of age and undergo an extensive background check which includes sending their fingerprints to the FBI. They must also go through classroom training on the use of deadly force laws, firearms storage & safety, retention. Then they must prove their proficiency on the shooting range during an 8 hour course of fire.
Had 1 or 2 licensed students or a professor been armed at Va Tech an untold number of lives could have been saved. Same for Columnbine. Teachefew years bacrs, staff and students who have been licensed to carry by the state should be allowed to carry on campus.

Have you ever heard of a school shooting in Utah? No? I didn't think so. Utah allows licensees to carry on college campuses. I don't know about high school and elementary campuses. A few years back a teen brought a rifle into a school building in Mississippi intending to kill some kids. A principal saw him, ran to his car and retrieved his 1911 and disarmed the kid and held him for police without ever firing a shot. How many lives were saved that day?

When I was a teen the parking lot at school was full of pickups and cars belonging to students and teachers alike with shotguns and rifles in them during hunting season. The principal even had to show me his new Winchester bolt action deer rifle one morning. We also had a rifle team with a range out behind the football stadium where we practiced and shot against other schools. Not one student, teacher, staff member or visitor was ever shot, not even by accident. I and hundreds of other students over the years learned to shoot, firearms safety and personal responsibility & integrity on that range & in the classrooms, something that is far too lacking in today's society.
 
After reading through the thread (good discussion of all sides, I thought), I voted "yes," and I do have a child in public school. I'll not argue that guns "should" be carried on campus as part of any policy; simply that those who CCW should not be banned from school property.
 
I'll bring up one point. Children are required by law to go to school, and the school stands in loco parentis -- that is, the school assumes some of the obligations and powers of the parents while the children are in school.

The school has an obligation to protect the children, with the same determination and means the parents would use. Someone in the school should be armed for protection of the children.
 
Criminals don't obey the laws. I see no reason NOT to lift it & other bans. The man LEGALLY carrying is not the 1 we have to worry about.
 
It's amazing how many people in this thread sound like card-carrying Brady Bunch members. If the fact that murder and violent crime are illegal doesn't stop someone, a gun-free zone sure won't either.

As to the teachers committing sexual misconduct that 6.5x55 posted--sexual misconduct is illegal. That didn't stop them. Why would not being allowed to carry a gun stop them if they decide to shoot somebody?

This It's OK for me to carry, but I sure wouldn't trust THAT guy attitude is utter crap. People here are using the EXACT same arguments against guns in school that the anti-gun people use for all concealed carry.

Name ONE bad thing that has happened anywhere concealed carry is allowed in schools as a result of that lawful carrying.
 
I would vote yes. I have 3 kids in school. I would feel better if I knew that there were some armed personell, teachers, janitorial, etc, on the campus. My kids school is fairly isolated on the edge of our city. It is past the end of a neighborhood, surrounded by fields. It would take a bit for emergency response to get there. I think an armed aggressor would be less likely to do so if they knew there was the possibility of counter fire. Missouri allows carry of a weapon on to any school campus, as long it stays in the vehicle and is not brandished. They are also allowed for carry and use during school sanctioned shooting events. And I believe that a CCW carrier can be allowed to carry into the school if that person has special permision from governing school afficials. I don't know if that means that I could get permission from the principal and carry or the school board.
I will look at the regs and re-post.
 
Yes and the ONLY reason I have no kids in school is because my wife can't have any. Had we had any, we would still send them to public schools and we would still support CC for those who are legal to do so.
 
I believe that teachers and janitors and workers for the school should be allowed to carry at work.
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When my grandfather was 11, he carried his crack-shot .22 (I still have it) to school everyday, leaning it in the corner of the schoolroom so he could shoot a varmint for the pot on the way home. He never thought someone might shoot someone with it.

When I was in school (this was the 80's; I am not that ancient), every other truck in the parking lot had a 12 gauge in the rack during dove season. I carried a Buck 110 on my belt from 6-12th grade. Never stabbed anyone. Today, I would be arrested. I made nun-chucks in shop class, and got a grade on them. Heck--when I was a senior, I made a cross-bow in shop, although the teacher did ask that I not affix the bow until I got home to keep from raising the attention of the front office.

Today, teachers in Israel stand guard over their students during recess with a loaded Uzi. Do I want to live in that world?? Not necessarily. Many do, though. As stated, criminals are not going to care about the law, someone needs to protect the innocent.
 
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