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concealed carry shotgun

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by Patrick123, Feb 26, 2008.

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  1. Patrick123

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    Found a place that makes AOW shotguns and while it only holds two shells in the magazine plus one in the chamber that might be enough for many situations. They also sell a holster for it.

    http://serbu.com/top/superShorty.php
     
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    I've seen these at the last show I hit, very cool. I'd love to get my mitts on one, but I can't justify the cost or the gun when you have impending doom (ala whoever gets elected), and that pretty much ANY pistol is more practical.

    better just spend the same coin on the autochucker rifle of your choice, while they're cheap.
     
  4. wyocarp

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    Well, I for one would like one. But, does anyone know anything about what is needed to have one. I'm not thinking that it is a simple handgun or rifle type purchase.
     
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    I never thought I'd see the words "concealed carry" and "shotgun" collide in the same sentance.
     
  6. Patrick123

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    Just a five dollar AOW stamp, plus the cost of the weapon which is $705.00
    Shipping charge: $20.00
     
  7. 1911 guy

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    Due to several factors like recoil, capacity, controlability and concealment, I'll stick with a handgun. Not that it wouldn't be fun to shoot, just not practical.
     
  8. Green Lantern

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    I doubt something like that would fly in NC, at least the 'carry it concealed' part...

    (Our 'lords and masters' don't even trust CCWers with assisted-opening or fixed blade KNIVES...)
     
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    I don't think the gun would be fun to shoot. I also don't have a desire to find out first hand.
     
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    Slugs and 00 buck would be a pain in the hand. Ouch!
     
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    How about loading it with Aguila mini-shells?

    http://www.aguilaammo.com/minishells.htm

    With roughly ½ the recoil of a regular shell you might be able to actually fire the thing. You should be able to load 4 in the magazine plus one in the chamber to get a 5-shooter, although you would have to modify the stock Mossberg shell lifter to get it to feed correctly. The buckshot shell has four #1 pellets and seven #4 pellets, so the effect on the target would be like hitting it with a low powder hand gun. Eleven times. Would still have to aim of course but I’m thinking the quick spreading pattern would mean you would not have to aim very precisely to get 4 or 5 pellets on a target within 20 meters.

    The downside of the big pattern as always is the danger of pellets missing the target and hitting something else. But in this case it would be mitigated by the fact #1 buck runs out of gas after about 50 meters (energy down below 60 ft-lbs, the US Military’s assumed minimum for an effective shrapnel wound.)
     
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    Yeah, Green Lantern. It would be a cold day in hell when you could get away with that in NC.
    I'm moving.
     
  13. Fred Fuller

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    How about loading it with Aguila mini-shells?

    I doubt they'll run reliably in an 870...

    lpl/nc
     
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    That's what I've read on the internet, plus they don't run in my 870 at all. But the web site in the original post says they would saw off an 870, a Mossberg Maverick or a 500, and the Aguila web site claims the mini shells function in Mossberg pump guns if the lifter is modified:

    http://www.aguilaammo.com/minishells_shotgun_mods.htm

    Plus Aguila is claiming they work in stock Winchester 1300s, so you could sawed one of these on your own (after getting your tax stamp of course.)

    Not saying this would be a more effective CCW than a real hand gun, just that a super short shotgun might be less bad with mini-shells than full sized ones.
     
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    pretty cool not practical but fun as heck.
     
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    Technically, the Serbu Super Shorty isn't a shotgun, it's a pistol with a smooth bore that happens to fire shotgun shells. :evil:
     
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    That's correct. Here in NC concealed carry is limited to handguns only. Check to see if your state has any such restrictions as to what you can carry concealed.

    Didn't Tubbs used to carry one of those on Miami Vice?
     
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    I have an NFA Stryker Entry Model with a 10" Barrel and there is absolutely no problem when it comes to recoil. It has less recoil than my Gold Cup and I can actually fire this weapon with one hand.

    Shotgun powders are "slow burning" types. The shorter the barrel = less burning time= LESS RECOIL. The biggest problem is the unburned powder blackening everything near and around the muzzle of the weapon.

    I'm attaching a pic of it for ya'll.
     

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    Well, my 18.5" mossy cruiser is downright painful to shoot.
     
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    Not quite. The reason you can get these is because they leave the factory as a pistol with a smoothbore barrel, an AOW, and from the start the serial number of the weapon is of a "pistol".

    If you start with a shotgun and make the same thing you have a SBS, which is illegal or heavily restricted in more places, cannot be transported interstate without permission, and will always be a shotgun on paper. To make it a handgun on paper you must start with a reciever not already labeled a shotgun by the factory.

    I do recall reading about some carrying them, they even have a nice holster for it that runs along the thigh.
    However they would be awful for CCW.

    As far as capacity, they do not have a drop safety and do have a free floating firing pin. Carrying with one in the chamber on your body would be rather foolish IMHO. The muzzle would likely be in close contact with your body someplace, and a hard jolt or fall could amputate a limb, or leave you with a searious torso wound, even if the rounds missed from muzzle blast alone.
    That means the capacity is not 2+1, but is instead 2 IMHO for carry. I can think of firearms that I would much rather have than a heavy hard to conceal shotgun with 2 rounds.
     
  22. ufstuddmuffin

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    how about the collateral damage in a real life situation
     
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    somebody is trying to make big bucks selling a slightly modified Mossy Maverick for $700:what: .......just sayin.
     
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    Again:The shorter the barrel = less burning time= LESS RECOIL
     
  25. Zoogster

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    If you subtract the costs of running a business, licenses, and the cost to pay an employee (a major expense in America) and the personal time involved I imagine the profit margin just barely warrants the business without moving a lot of merchandise, which I don't think they do.

    So as a consumer you see it doubled in price, but most of that is not going into thier pocket.
    So no I wouldn't say they are making a fortune. They don't just buy shotguns and cut off the barrel, and sell them for double.

    It would likely be more profitable to just resell factory firearms, making less profit per firearm, without much work or hassle, and move a lot more product than sell some oddball like the Super Shorty in limited quantities.

    One full time employee making the absolute minimum wage in the nation costs an employer over $15,000 a year, and sometimes much more if they have to provide health care and benefits. The person can cost close to double what they actualy get paid as a salary to an employer.

    Running a business is not cheap.

    They could just do what most do, and offer standard items and leave us with less variety.
     
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