Concealed Permit Requirements

Concealed Carry Requirements?

  • Anyone should be able to get a permit to carry.

    Votes: 80 16.5%

  • People should have to take a class before obtaining a permit.

    Votes: 66 13.6%

  • People should have to show competency before obtaining a permit.

    Votes: 127 26.2%

  • Should have a learners type permit for travel to a range only.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • No one should have to have a permit.

    Votes: 211 43.6%
  • Total voters
    484
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Some of you guys from states that enjoy ample gun rights crack me up. You really don't know much about the fire with which you're playing. "Reasonable restrictions" is a real powder keg. You should be using all your cleverness and mental abilities to resist, not allow, reasonable restrictions on guns.

Please understand that your idea of what’s reasonable will not be reflected in the laws. Rather, take your idea of reasonable and degrade it a few notches after anti-gun people get their say. The resulting gun laws will eventually be a compromise you cannot stomach. However, don't believe me. Look at DC, California and other similarly restrictive states. The proven result is right in front of your eyes, and you're still here arguing for reasonable restrictions - pretty sad.

It's best to shoot for no restrictions as a starting point of compromise.
 
This has reached the point where even the NRA has taken a stand. They are also against any formal training for a CCW. They, rightfully, point to the simple fact that states that are "shall-issue", and require a formal training and qualification program, DO NOT have a better record as far as shootings, brandishing, or accidental injuries goes. As these figures are available covering numerous years, where is the advantage to a "class"?

The other problem lies in the fact that politicians come and go, and can always redefine a requirement. What's an 11 hour program could easily become a 24 hour program, or a 72 hour program. Once the requirement has been codified, the temptation to increase it will always exist. :)
 
Yeah, I think you should have to show competency to carry concealed in public. A lot of people don't know their arses from their elbows when it comes to safely handling firearms. When I took the class there were a few people who I could tell knew nothing about the firearm they were qualifying with. Defending your home and carrying on your property is your own business, but when you bring your gun out in public you need to know how to use it properly and accurately.
 
Accepting a "permit" means you've surrendered the right. A "shall issue" license means you've met some minimal level of competence and/or trustworthiness. Great pains were taken to make Texas have a CHL instead of CHP!
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and the fact that myself and all of you get our permits each year or whatever interval your area requires just shows we allowed that to happen... all the blowhards can speak tough all they like, but in the end, nothing is being done to stop the infringements that are taking place... some will say, "but I support the NRA" which would be nice if they stood up for anything... but instead, they throw money at a giant gun museum and allow the government to take our rights little by little.
 
PT1911 said:
... some will say, "but I support the NRA" which would be nice if they stood up for anything... but instead, they throw money at a giant gun museum and allow the government to take our rights little by little.
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And exactly what do you propose should be done? Do you really think that a Vermont style carry law is politically a real possibility in most states? Are you prepared to throw millions of dollars into litigation to try to get the courts to throw out shall issue laws in favor of there being no permit requirements -- especially when there are virtual bans and may issue systems to challenge?
 
Should not have to have one. Folks who use guns in crime should be severely punished. That would leave the good guys in a good spot. :)
 
More criminal punishment, less regulation for the honest law-abiding.

Many states already have a "Three Strikes and You're Out" rule for violent felonies.

When it comes to the use of a gun in a crime, the rule should be "One Strike and You're Out, No Exceptions".

With a Three Strikes rule you have at least three victims.
With a One Strike rule, you reduce the number of victims by 2/3.
 
While I'm not sure what I think about the necessity of having permits, if we're going to have them, and it seems like we're stuck with them regardless of whether or not we like them, they might as well mean something.

I think carrying a firearm requires responsibility, hence, permit holders should be able to:

1. Demonstrate that they know their state's laws regarding concealed and open carry, what they may carry, where, when they can legally draw, and when they can legally shoot.

2. Demonstrate that they can handle a firearm safely.

3. Hit a target at reasonable self-defense ranges.

4. Practice.
 
Government does not create or give rights, it is charged with protecting and not infringing on pre-existing rights. To suggest that training or competancy should be required is to suggest that the goverment controls the right, and can withhold or disperse it at their will. We have laws against reckless endangerment and incredible legal liability aggresively enforced against anyone improperly using a weapon. I share the concern over incompetant people owning guns, but keep in perspective that more children die drowning in backyard pools than firearms accidents. Are we suggestng that a homeowner should be required to pass a swimming course for themselves and their children before they can get a permit to build a pool?
 
Government does not create or give rights, it is charged with protecting and not infringing on pre-existing rights. To suggest that training or competancy should be required is to suggest that the goverment controls the right, and can withhold or disperse it at their will. We have laws against reckless endangerment and incredible legal liability aggresively enforced against anyone improperly using a weapon. I share the concern over incompetant people owning guns, but keep in perspective that more children die drowning in backyard pools than firearms accidents. Are we suggestng that a homeowner should be required to pass a swimming course for themselves and their children before they can get a permit to build a pool?
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That was beautifully articulated. Well done! :cool:
 
I voted: "Anyone should..." I really prefer the "No one should have...", but we seem to be stuck with some sort of a permit system. Yeah folks need to learn to safely handle/use a firearm but few programs are going to make people proficient. Local gun shop here offers a free range session wi the each purchase--best answer possible.
 
wyocarp said:
In my opinion...I don't feel comfortable...I felt...would I trust...I've never been any more uncomfortable...these people should not carry anything more than their driver's license.
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Not to put too fine a point on it, but who the hell died and made you king?

Seriously--at the risk of leaving the High Road, when did this become all about you and your feelings? Who made you the arbiter of what people ought to be allowed to do?

Please explain to me just how your attitude is any different from, say, Dianne Feinstein ("I know what I'm doing, but you guys aren't good enough")?
 
Not to put too fine a point on it, but who the hell died and made you king?

Seriously--at the risk of leaving the High Road, when did this become all about you and your feelings? Who made you the arbiter of what people ought to be allowed to do?

Please explain to me just how your attitude is any different from, say, Dianne Feinstein ("I know what I'm doing, but you guys aren't good enough")?
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He prefaced what he stated with "in MY opinion." So it is exactly that--his own feelings on the matter. He didn't state those things as if they were fact, so it's perfectly fine that he identifies what he wrote as his own feelings.
 
I don't beleive that ANYTHING should be required to carry. Would I like to see people get educated and proficient on firearms? YES. The government is TOTALLY unable to do anything well and therefore I don't want them to have anything to do with my RIGHTS. I have carried a gun for the past 38 years and I will bet I am more knowledgeable and proficient than ANYONE the government can provide to TEACH me.
 
This reminds me of the thread I started last week. As I was told in no uncertain terms, advocating any kind of training requirement for anything at all to do with firearms is just plain wrong. In fact, to even have that view makes you a member of the Brady bunch, apparently. Never mind if you actually own guns yourself.

So not wanting to be labelled as such, I now say that having to have a permit for anything at all firearms related is evil and unconstitutional.
 
I think there should be a back ground check. I do not thank any of us wont a crazy man caring. I do agree with the point that a bad guy is going to carry with the Concealed Carry or with out. I am taking a class June the first. I cant wait. I will be using my Sig p6 to take it. It will be the gun I carry ever day.
 
When I was growing up on the farm guns were part of the every day life. I got my first Fox SS 12 ga. when I was 10 or 11, I also got my farm drivers license when I was 13. Today the only gun the average person has ever seen is on the hip of a LEO and some of you would allow them to get a license without any type of training!!!!! I don't like the government involved but to turn some of today’s idiots loose with a gun is only asking for trouble.
 
No free man should have to do what society FEELS they should just to be able to defend themselves ANYWHERE.

Permits, classes, fees, taxes, etc are all an infringement of your 2A rights.

Do I think everyone should proficient and trained in the use of firearms? Yes. Do I think mandating classes, permits, etc. is okay? Not in the slightest.

So not wanting to be labelled as such, I now say that having to have a permit for anything at all firearms related is evil and unconstitutional.
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"Evil" is subjective. "Unconstitutional" is objective.
 
If you'd had to pass a spelling and grammar test before you could speak or post would you sign up for that? Base punishment on outcomes and behavior, not tools.
 
Carry without having to ask permission, just like voting, speaking, writing or going to religious services? Yes.

I also think that gun handling and marksmanship should be a required course in high school, along with math, English and history.
 
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