Confrontation between Alaska gun store and ATF

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Whatever else GNG is engaged in, it's most certainly engaged in interstate, intrastate and international commerce. It's also a highly regulated entity with pretty much zero expectation of privacy.

This issue turns on federal gun laws, which as noted were supposed to prevent just this kind of abuse.
 
They perverted the meaning of the commerce clause. The intent of the commerce clause was to prevent trade wars between states. It was NOT intended to be used to reach into states to control just about everything.
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You claim despite no rulings that even come close to generally supporting what you have spewed.

The SCOTUS has not gone along with the heart of your claim in a long time.


The ability to review is NOT the same as the ability to remove for copying wholesale.

The FFL is effectively shut down while the book is not available.
 
For your information it is very well respected in the pro-gun community.
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For your information: i've been involved up to my neck in pro-gun work since 1968: Never heard of them before.

i tried googling up this subject. All links refer to The Examiner or ammoland. The GOA and NRA have nothing.
 
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For your information: i've been involved up to my neck in pro-gun work since 1968: Never heard of them before.

i tried googling up this subject. All links refer to The Examiner or ammoland. The GOA and NRA have nothing.
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Sorry, I thought everyone who was interested in gun rights and the 2nd Amendment had heard of Dave Workman and David Codrea, both of whom write for the Examiner.

I do repeat my claim that Examiner is well respected in the Gun Community, at lest among all the people I talk to and know about, which is Nation wide. If you haven't heard of Workman or Codrea, I suggest you read more. Their Examiner stories are available online. Both have been instrumental in breaking news on the "Fast and Furious" scandal.

As far as the GOA and NRA not having anything on it, well somebody has to break the story. Neither of them broke the "Fast and Furious" story either.
 
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Sorry, I thought everyone who was interested in gun rights and the 2nd Amendment had heard of Dave Workman and David Codrea, both of whom write for the Examiner.

I do repeat my claim that Examiner is well respected in the Gun Community, at lest among all the people I talk to and know about, which is Nation wide. If you haven't heard of Workman or Codrea, I suggest you read more. Their Examiner stories are available online. Both have been instrumental in breaking news on the "Fast and Furious" scandal.

As far as the GOA and NRA not having anything on it, well somebody has to break the story. Neither of them broke the "Fast and Furious" story either.
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Seriously?
"Well respected" in whose "gun community"?:scrutiny:

The Examiner is well known for the OMG! OMG! "news" that is DECADES OLD.
Their "breaking" of the "news" regarding firearms purchases by marijuana users was laughable.........decades old regulations regurguitated by the Examiner as something new.

I don't trust their reporting anymore than I would something off MSNBC.
 
"both of whom write for the Examiner"

The Examiner? More like examiner.com because it's not a newspaper, it's a stand-alone digital outfit. You can look it up, it's part of the Clarity Digital Group of Denver.

www.google.com/finance?cid=5080754#

"Clarity Digital Group, which does business as Examiner.com. The Web property oversees a group of local news sites in more than 240 cities in the US and Canada. Examiner.com relies on more than 60,000 "citizen journalists" for its user-generated content."

It's owned by billionaire Phil Anschutz.
 
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Seriously?
"Well respected" in whose "gun community"?:scrutiny:

The Examiner is well known for the OMG! OMG! "news" that is DECADES OLD.
Their "breaking" of the "news" regarding firearms purchases by marijuana users was laughable.........decades old regulations regurguitated by the Examiner as something new.

I don't trust their reporting anymore than I would something off MSNBC.
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Seriously? I have nothing but respect for Dave Workman and David Codrea. They have been the tip of the spear when it comes to reporting on "Fast and Furious"

I notice that a lot of people question the source of the story, rather than the story itself.

Have you read the article?

Have you read the Ammoland article?

Have you attempted to contact the GNG store in Alaska

do you have any reason to doubt the story?

Or are you one of those people who claim to support the 2nd Amendment while attacking those who do?

Are all writers for the Examiner correct all the time? Probably not, but if you have anything specific against Anthony Martin, please state it. Otherwise you sound like you are blindly supporting the BATFE, which is a very rouge agency.

I don't know why some people have a knee jerk reaction to support Government jackbooted thugs, (by the way, Rep. John Dingle of Michigan coined the phrase) when they have shown such contempt for both the Law and fire arms owners.
 
examiner.com is little more than a blog site the compensates writers based on the number of page views. There appears to be little editorial oversight. Accordingly, the quality of "news" on there seems to vary greatly.
 
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"both of whom write for the Examiner"

The Examiner? More like examiner.com because it's not a newspaper, it's a stand-alone digital outfit. You can look it up, it's part of the Clarity Digital Group of Denver.

www.google.com/finance?cid=5080754#

"Clarity Digital Group, which does business as Examiner.com. The Web property oversees a group of local news sites in more than 240 cities in the US and Canada. Examiner.com relies on more than 60,000 "citizen journalists" for its user-generated content."

It's owned by billionaire Phil Anschutz.
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Interesting, I didn't know that Phil Anschutz, a native son of Kansas was the owner. But hardly relevant.

As far as it being an internet based "newspaper" rather than a paper based one, That seems to be the future trend in Newspapers. A friend of mine at work routinely downloads a local newspaper onto his smart phone to read at work. I read several different newspapers, both local and National on the internet.
I like being able to read stories without them being filtered trough a Liberal Democrat editor. I can get all the Democrat filtered news I want from the local papers, local TV news, National papers and Networks. Sometimes, stories get killed by politically motivated editors, remember Monica Lewinsky's blue dress and Newsweek Magazine? Other stories are created by them, remember Dan Rather and his fake Texas Air Guard memos.

I repeat. If anyone has a problem with Anthony Martin's reporting, state it!

If anyone believes that the BATFE would never do anything like what they are accused of, I have some bottom ground for sale, just don't ask what it is at the bottom of.:evil:
 
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Seriously?
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Yes, seriously.

I have nothing but respect for Dave Workman and David Codrea. They have been the tip of the spear when it comes to reporting on "Fast and Furious"
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"Top of the spear"? Only if you are living in a cave with the Examiner as your only source of news.

I notice that a lot of people question the source of the story, rather than the story itself.
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Don't you find it odd that so many forum members have such low regard for the Examiners quality of work?

Based on past history of Examiner articles this is most likely tripe.
 
Codrea is an alarmist: He sometimes screeches the alarm when theres nothing to get alarmed about. Example: Codrea made a big deal out of HR 45 that had no co-sponsors and the proposed UN small arms treaty.

Right now all we have is the word of ammoman and a writer who is alleged to be reliable. i can find no website for GNG.
 
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Some trolls like to kill stories that make their heroes look bad. Attacking the source of the story is an old but effective trick by trolls to either distract from the story or get it killed. It works because there is always some idiot like me who allows trolls to distract them.

First rule about trolls! DON'T FEED THEM!!:banghead::banghead:

Sorry for forgetting that.:eek:
 
Wow. GNG is the grand old man of gun stores in this part of Alaska. Really well respected with some of the finest iron to be had anywhere. The staff are also extremely well versed in firearm laws and if they're putting up a fight on this it's not just a fit of pique.
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Interesting and disconcerting if true. We had a compliance inspection earlier this year and our IOI didn't make any hard copies of our bound book or 4473's. There were some taken of our approved Form 2's where ATF had no record of the guns being in our inventory so that the NFRTR could be corrected.
i can find no website for GNG.
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So? Earlier in this thread Cosmoline said that he has shopped at that store; that's good enough for me.
 
I love how I'm labeled a "troll" for just noting the source. They are a glorified blog with no editorial oversight or fact-checking. If this article were submitted to a "real" news outlet, it would be rejected instantly for it's blatant one-sidedness. It's called pick up the phone and call the ATF and get an answer. It's not hard to find the number (it's called 5 minutes on Google). This piece reeks of lazy "reporting."

I'm not "knee-jerk" reacting in favor of the ATF. We're dealing with the retards who did Waco and Fast and Furious, for crying out loud. Also, I know everyone is paranoid the ATF is trying to do a gun registry, but unless you have proof, that is purely speculation.

BTW, back to the original post, show me where it states in the law (as in the actual code, with source) where it bars the BATF from copying a bound book. Don't say it's so because the SATF says it's so. Show me the code, and if it isn't specifically spelled out, show me a judicial ruling stating that is the case.

Again, these are things the "reporter" should have done, but did not. Until there is a decent, balanced (i.e.: They use their cell phone and call the ATF and at least try to talk to a live human being) piece written by somebody who doesn't show signs of gross negligence or gross incompetence as a writer, I'm reserving any judgement either way. There just isn't enough information from sources actually involved in the case.

I apologize for actually thinking critically about something I read on the Internet. I know that is frowned upon in today's society. I was under the assumption it was "high road," rather than signs of a "troll" trying to support "Government jackbooted thugs."
 
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love how I'm labeled a "troll" for just noting the source. They are a glorified blog with no editorial oversight or fact-checking. If this article were submitted to a "real" news outlet, it would be rejected instantly for it's blatant one-sidedness. It's called pick up the phone and call the ATF and get an answer. It's not hard to find the number (it's called 5 minutes on Google). This piece reeks of lazy "reporting."
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i'm proud to be labled a troll by folks who never bother to vet their sources.
 
"do you have any reason to doubt the story?

Or are you one of those people who claim to support the 2nd Amendment while attacking those who do?"

1. Lack of facts and evidence. It's barely at the rumor level from what I can find on the story. And I spent quite a bit of time looking for evidence.

2. Am I one of what kind of people? Do you plan on making friends here? Are you usually this insulting? Maybe you should try logic instead of rudeness.
 
http://anchorage2atf.com

Here's the link for the organization named as the originator of the e-mail. The home page has a link to a story about a Larouche supporter getting roughed up at the fair. It says it happened yesterday.

It happened in August, 2010.

I'm not feeling confident about the source.
 
If someone in Anchorage can call the store in question or go there to verify or deny that this story has happened, please post it here and a mod can close this thread if the story is an old one or it is plain out right bogus.

But at least please keep the thread open until someone can confirm or deny.
Thanks
 
I would personally like to feed you guys the crow when a news source you deem credible finally gets around to this story. Can I PM each of you and say, "I told you so, JA"?
I live here. It's going on and not just to GNG. Dang. See you in PM land...
 
Right now all we have is the word of ammoman and a writer who is alleged to be reliable. i can find no website for GNG.
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I haven't heard from the store itself at this point so I don't know if there really is a stink over the bound book. But GNG does exist. If it doesn't then there's some Brigadoon of gun stores with a lot of my money ;-) They don't have a website because they don't need one.

I doubt anyone would simply make this up out of whole cloth. But it could be that someone heard the grief over coffee and just posted it. If I see any more about it I'll post on it.
 
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