confused about "parts kits"

[Ukraine Train]

I was checking out this AMD-65 parts kit: http://www.centerfiresystems.com/mi...e=CSI&Product_Code=AMD-65KIT&Category_Code=PK

"The AMD-65 7.62x39 Features: Gray plastic pistol grips, steel folding stock with rubber butt pad, steel ventalated lower forend, and 12.6 inch barrel. (All NFA rules apply.) Complete bolt, bolt carrier, receiver cover, complete recoil spring, and all semi auto fire control parts. Note: grips may show shipping and storage wear. The barrels in this kit may not be used to assemble new firearms that would be prohibited from importation Pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 925 (d) (3)"

First question is, is it legal to put a receiver on this and turn it into a firing gun? The barrel length is only 12.6 inches. Is the receiver the only part needed? What kind of reputation do the AMD guns have?

 

[c_yeager]

Well Kits are a really confusing can of worms.

i'll answer to the best of my ability but PLEASE be sure to check anything read on the internet before you proceed.

Yes, the kits are legal to build but, you have to do it a certain way.

First of all you cannot just slap the kit together. You need to replace an amount of parts in the rifle with US-MADE parts, you will have to purchase this seperately. You can have no more than 10 foreign made parts in a kit built rifle like this. There is a list of what constitutes a "part" from the ATF. The generall rule for AKs is that you have to replace between 5 and 6 parts depending on wether or not you have a muzzle device. I would recomend going to the "build it yourself forum" on either the AK section of ar15.com or ak-47.net for specific information regarding this kit. A lot of people on those sites have built up this same kit, so they should know the easiest way to stay legal. You will of course also have to buy a reciever through an FFL (or build your own).

The "parts count" thing is what is reffered to by this disclaimer from that site "The barrels in this kit may not be used to assemble new firearms that would be prohibited from importation Pursuant to 18 U.S.C. 925 (d) (3)"

What you are doing is replacing enough foreign parts with American parts to makethe rifle a "domestically produced" rifle, thus, making it unaffected by 922 (which concerns imported rifles).

With regards to the barrel you WILL have to permanently attach a muzzle device to bring it up to the minimum 16" (assuming you do not want to register it as a 'short bareled rifle).

If you do all of that then yes you can build the rifle into a fully functional firing smemi-auto. Be advised though that aside from all the legal pitfalls building AK47 based rifles is much more involved than assembling an AR15. There is going to be some fitting and your going to have to learn to either use rivets or tap the reciever and trunchions for machine screws at the very least.

 

[glocksman]

To make it a legal build, you'd have to use a US made fire control group, US made pistol grip, US made gas piston and a long permanently attached muzzle brake or flash hider in order to make the barrel legal length.

If you want to keep the short barrel, you'll have to pay the $200 tax and go through the NFA paperwork. If you want to do that, you'd only need a US made receiver,pistol grip, gas piston and FCG to make the gun legal.

 

[kfranz]

To make it a legal build, you'd have to use a US made fire control group, US made pistol grip, US made gas piston and a long permanently attached muzzle brake or flash hider in order to make the barrel legal length.

If you want to keep the short barrel, you'll have to pay the $200 tax and go through the NFA paperwork. If you want to do that, you'd only need a US made receiver,pistol grip, gas piston and FCG to make the gun legal.

You don't have to use those specific parts. Magazine followers and floorplates count as one part each. You'll probably use a US receiver, and with a fire control group, you're at 6....You could replace the AMD stock with a US made stock as another option. Replacing the front handguard/grip is another....

Use the kit to build a pistol, and no US parts are required....

 

[First Person Shooter]

Use the kit to build a pistol, and no US parts are required....

Isn't that a short barreled rifle. That would have the BATF there in a hurry.

 

[kfranz]

Isn't that a short barreled rifle. That would have the BATF there in a hurry.

Replace the rear trunnion with a trunnion that won't fit a stock(or modifiy one properly), and loose the front PG, then no, it's not an SBR.

 

[shoobe01]

That works for some guns, but without yet more modifications this one has a front grip, so it would still be an AOW, so that's still an NFA gun and therefore a tax stamp.

Plus, rifles are fun! Keep the stock.

 

[kfranz]

That works for some guns, but without yet more modifications this one has a front grip, so it would still be an AOW, so that's still an NFA gun and therefore a tax stamp.

Plus, rifles are fun! Keep the stock.

That's why you need to loose the front PG(and make accomodations so that it couldn't be readily reattached). The foreend in and of itself is not so much an issue

 

[glocksman]

You don't have to use those specific parts. Magazine followers and floorplates count as one part each. You'll probably use a US receiver, and with a fire control group, you're at 6....You could replace the AMD stock with a US made stock as another option. Replacing the front handguard/grip is another....

Use the kit to build a pistol, and no US parts are required....

True, but the problem there is that if you forget yourself and insert an AK mag that doesn't have a US follower or floorplate, you're in violation.

Whereas if you use a US made FGC, piston, pistol grip, and receiver*, you'll be in compliance no matter what magazine you stick in the gun


*With a US made receiver, you probably could do without a pistol grip or piston, but better safe than sorry IMHO.