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Congress has finally slipped the track - again

Discussion in 'Legal' started by skidmark, Jun 22, 2005.

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  1. skidmark

    skidmark Member

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    The House of Representatives just passed SJR #12 and sent it to the Senate.

    As much as burning the American flag makes me ill and see red, I am vehemently opposed to this on so many levels I cannot begin to get them in order and list them inteligently.

    Here is the Resolution:

    No matter how you feel about the issue, I encourage everyone to contact their Senators ands let them know where you stand. There sahould be NO "silent majority" when it comes to tinkering with the Bill of Rights.

    [/ :banghead: :cuss: ]

    stay safe.

    skidmark
     
  2. richyoung

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    I must repectfully disagree - i think the Founders would be suprised to be informed that the First Ammendment they crafted had been stretched to protect flag burners and pornographers...
     
  3. Alex45ACP

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    If this passes, I may have to burn an American flag in protest... :confused:
     
  4. MrTuffPaws

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    Great, if this passes, I will have to piss on the constitution to protest the government.

    There are a tremendous amount of other crap congress should be doing, why are they wasting time on taking away the rights of the people?
     
  5. Jeff

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    And what people don't realize is that by making it illegal more offenders will commit the act. It has more impact and activist outrage value if the action is prohibited at the time.

    Not many do it now because it is not outrageous enough. Congress is acting like a bunch of naive children.
     
  6. MrTuffPaws

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    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

    What part of the 1st don't you understand?
     
  7. Mr. X

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    Pornographers, yes, most likely. Flag burners, no. Flag worship is a 19th C. development, steming from anti-immigation and post-civil war patriotic fervor.
     
  8. 2nd Amendment

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    How about instead we write a simple law that says while freedom of speech allows you to burn my flag it ALSO allows me to use that burning flag to set you ablaze? Works, no waste, Karma is satsified, etc...

    Seriously.

    *why are you looking at me funny?*
     
  9. R.H. Lee

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    How flagburning 'speech'? Speech is speech, the practice of flagburning is/should not be 'protected' by the 1st, neither should it be a prosecutable offense.

    I get really ticked off at all the crap that attempts to hide behind the 1st.
     
  10. mcmoyer

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    It's gotta go and be voted on nation-wide and be ratified by 2/3 of the states.

    How about all of the MORONS who fly flags until they're nothing but rags???

    :cuss:
     
  11. Biker

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    Me and most of my Bros in this area wear a patch on our cut-offs that says "Try burning this one, A**hole!" with an American flag underneath it. Personally, I mean that very, very much. If I see a man burning the Flag, I will personally eliminate his need to ever visit a dentist again. I'm a Vet and proud, and some of my friends never came back home from the Nam. However, imo, they died so these flag-burners have the right to be a**holes as our constitution states, I believe. Having said that, I will excersise *my* right to de-tooth any Flag-burning SOB I see and go to jail for it if necessary-no regrets.
    Biker
     
  12. Derby FALs

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    Amendments should restrict the government, only...
     
  13. Justin

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    Given that porn has been around since, oh, roughly Neolithic times, it seems that if the founders didn't want the 1st Amendment to extend to materials of a prurient nature that they probably would have included that in the text of the First Amendment. :rolleyes:

    Once again, this proposed amendment is nothing more than a solution in search of a problem. So far as I know, there's been something like one case of a flag being burned in protest in the US in the recent past.

    And even if people were lighting flags up willy-nilly, it still wouldn't compare to the abuse being dealt to the bill of rights on an almost daily basis.



    Personally, I'm still waiting for a congressmember to propose a bill that prohibits the desecration of the Bill of Rights.​
     
  14. George S.

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    Happened to notice that one of the backers of the proposal is a "Mrs. Feinstein".

    Maybe gun makers should start putting an image of the US flag on guns....
     
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    The founders burned King George III in effigy. What specifically makes you think they would want to stop flag burning?
     
  16. mics357

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    although I personally find flag burning reprehensible and very easly could result in a sound poundin by someone like (me) for example it is far worse to try an tack more admendments to the bill of rights because everytime they add one I lose another of mine. ( civ. rights ) that is.
     
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    Rediculous. Flag burning is a form of political protest. (A stupid one that only gets people angry, but a form of protest nonetheless.) Even if you think flag burning should be outlawed, please just think of the possible unintended consequences.
     
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    Biker & mics357: Don't forget the adage that "Your "right" to swing your fist ends at my nose (or in Biker's example teeth)." Verbal disagreement, shouting, waving one's arms and jumping up & down in fury is all well and good. Striking another person because you disagree with their choice of expression can get you shot, as you yourself have noted mics357.
     
  19. FPrice

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    mics357...

    "although I personally find flag burning reprehensible and very easly could result in a sound poundin by someone like (me) for example..."

    I have to agree with you here.

    "it is far worse to try an tack more admendments to the bill of rights because everytime they add one I lose another of mine. ( civ. rights ) that is."

    Out of curiousity, which civ right did you lose as a result of Amendment XIII? Or Amendment XV? How about Amendment XIX?
     
  20. Biker

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    Very true, Sindawe. However, as one of our other members observed, most of us selectively obey/break laws. I am one of those people even though nowadays, at least, I obey a lot more than I break. Fact is, there are times when it is right to do something even when it is illegal, and yes, I know, morality is subjective. If a Man is willing to fight and die for the Flag in another country, he should have the right to do it at home.
    In other words, just cause it's legal, it don't make it right, and just cause it's illegal, it don't make it wrong.
    I'll live with the consequences-done it before.
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  21. mics357

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    I stand corrected poor choice of words perhaps ,just this particular issue sometimes makes me start yellin before brain totally engauged :(
     
  22. mics357

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    after you have left friends and family under one of those flags maybe you will understand better
     
  23. dolanp

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    It is the CONSTITUTION! The BILL OF RIGHTS!

    Not the Bill of You Can't Do This or This or Whatever Else Bliss Ninny Politicos say!

    Regardless of how you feel about it, like the gay marriage ban amendment, it is an affront to the ideals of America and the idea of freedom. It is an agregious misuse of our document to guarantee our rights from infringement.
     
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    What about a video of a burning flag?

    A cartoon of a burning flag?

    What if I accidentally set one on fire?

    Is it just restricted to burning, or any 'desecration' of the flag or its image? Tearing, ripping, stomping on, applying the likeness to products (which in my view 'desecrates' some symbols), are they all prohibited?

    If you grant the power to government to prohibit your activities in this way, you are opening the door for more infringement down the road.

    If all that a nincompoop can do is yell and scream and burn a symbol (flag), I'm not very worried. There are much worse things that go on in the media and entertainment industries that are worse as far as symbols go. If my beliefs are strong, they can outlast the burning of a flag.

    Aren't flags erected after victory, after the fight is won? Aren't flags a rallying point?

    I don't mean to insult, but how is anger over the burning of the flag (and violent acts as espoused by some posters) different than people of the Islamic faith rioting over reported desecration of the Koran (sp?)

    Next we can't damage other symbols, such as the Great Seal of the state of Ohio, or pictures of the presidents, or portray the police as crooks on television, and so on.

    Let them light up and burn away, I say. Then arrest them for attempted arson. Fine them for causing dense, acrid smoke to fill a public space, lawd sakes, it might hurt the little children! ;)

    jmm
     
  25. NIGHTWATCH

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    If we could only get so passionate about privacy rights and burning our new National ID's down the road :rolleyes:
     
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