Connecticut gun owners line-up to register firearms

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Queen_of_Thunder said:
That's not true. I can be classed as a liberal gun owner and I don't trust the government. In fact I doubt anyone trusts the government regardless of which side of the fence they come down on. To be successful we must stay focused on gun rights as straying into other issues will undermine our objective.
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Queen_of_Thunder,
You're no liberal. Having an occasional liberal thought does not make someone a liberal. Trusting government and then wanting more government would classify one a liberal. Saying you don't trust the government and then in earlier posts wanting to fill the school boards with pro-gun candidates; that is waaaaaaaay non-liberal. It's for the most part a liberal tactic of filling school boards with like minded persons to affect future generations.

Then to top it off, your Location Quote: "Where God purifies the soul. The West Texas desert." That you say God exists makes you a non-liberal.

By the way, there are liberals who are gun owners; it goes against much of what they stand for ... but they exist. Case in point, Dianne Feinstein; she admits she's a gun owner.... But she is "special and can be trusted" (sarcasm).

But anyhow, here is a post from a young lady who just "saw the light" and says in NY, guns are taboo. Not sure if she meant state vs. city; I expect she was referring to NYC. She could not be in the same room as an unloaded gun. Just shows the level of brainwashing that can be done in few generations of pounding an anti-gun message home.

http://bearingarms.com/ny-woman-changes-views-on-guns-while-living-in-the-free-states/

Chuck
 
How much of my civil liberties am I willing to give up in order to achieve a false sense of security? Perhaps if the people would work just a little harder to get objective information, they could make better decisions. Sadly they won't.

Death by 1,000 small cuts
 
Midwest said:
Yes we CAN do something to help in other states, even though we don't live there.

If every one of those 100 million gun owners would just contribute $1 each yearly into a National Fund purely for the election of pro-gun candidates, maybe we would not be having these threads. If every gun owner in the country would contribute $5 each, that would be 1/2 billion dollars per year, that would make a difference.

If every gun shop in the country would let each customer take out an extra $1 or $2 to contribute to this National fund, that would be the easiest way to raise money.

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The money would be specifically earmarked for all pro-gun candidates especially in anti-gun states and areas. Someone buying a rifle in Idaho could earmark an extra dollar or two (if he or she wanted) to help elect pro-gun candidates in anti-gun areas like the Northeast.

This way even though we live in a pro-gun state, would could do something to help our fellow gun owners in anti-gun states and areas.
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Definitely! That's a great idea! We should start organizing this!
 
steelerdude99 said:
You're no liberal. Having an occasional liberal thought does not make someone a liberal. Trusting government and then wanting more government would classify one a liberal. Saying you don't trust the government and then in earlier posts wanting to fill the school boards with pro-gun candidates; that is waaaaaaaay non-liberal. It's for the most part a liberal tactic of filling school boards with like minded persons to affect future generations.

Then to top it off, your Location Quote: "Where God purifies the soul. The West Texas desert." That you say God exists makes you a non-liberal.

By the way, there are liberals who are gun owners; it goes against much of what they stand for ... but they exist. Case in point, Dianne Feinstein; she admits she's a gun owner.... But she is "special and can be trusted" (sarcasm).

But anyhow, here is a post from a young lady who just "saw the light" and says in NY, guns are taboo. Not sure if she meant state vs. city; I expect she was referring to NYC. She could not be in the same room as an unloaded gun. Just shows the level of brainwashing that can be done in few generations of pounding an anti-gun message home.
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I think that it's counter-productive to divide everyone into a "liberal" or "conservative" camp. "liberal" used to mean classical liberal, as in pro-liberty. The only real division is between statism, and liberty. One can be a left-winger and be anti-authoritarian.

I think that a lot of people just "go along to get along". I'm sure there are people who consider themselves liberal who we might disagree with on other issues, but might be in favor of guns. However, because many people lump anti-gun advocacy into that package, they feel like they have to be anti-gun too.

The association of "pro-gun" with "Conservative" hurts our cause in certain parts of the country. It shouldn't be a liberal-conservative issue. It should be an American issue. We need to let people know that whatever their politics, they can be pro-gun and not have to buy the entire package. We should be trying to build a coalition. We can argue about other issues later.
 
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Cheerleading puff-pieces from mainstream media outlets notwithstanding, evidently the powers that be in Connecticut have been rather dismayed at the low compliance rates of the new law.

http://reason.com/blog/2013/12/03/connecticut-shouldnt-be-surprised-that-f

Michael Lawlor, Gov. Dannel P. Malloy’s criminal justice advisor, said that so far fewer people than expected have registered weapons under the new law. However, he said gun owners should take seriously the consequences of ignoring the law. Disregarding the registration requirements can carry felony charges in some cases, which can make Connecticut residents ineligible to own guns.
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I post this not to encourage the dissent or breaking of state law, but rather as a counterpoint to the state and media's claims of the efficacy of and compliance with gun control laws that are unlikely to be enforced, both historically and now.

As always, my stance is that compliance with the law is less likely to lead to what Obi Wan Kenobi would call "imperial entanglements."
 
There are people that are social liberals and have pretty conservative fiscal views. It is not as easy to say... you're a liberal and favor strict gun control and perhaps outright elimination of private ownership of firearms. Few people are single issue voters. People that frequent this forum, are often single issue voters when it comes to "gun control". But most people don't see it the same way.

In the broad sense, enforcing gun control laws is very difficult for states. One has to make their own decisions on this issue and I feel sure a lot of CT gun owners have pondered it.
 
Queen_of_Thunder said:
That's not true. I can be classed as a liberal gun owner and I don't trust the government. In fact I doubt anyone trusts the governmnt regradless of which side of the fence they come down on. To be successful we must stay focused on gun rights as straying into other issues will undemine our objective.
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Fair enough. Maybe I should have said pro government liberals.
 
I think the "pro-government" crowd has dwindled a lot due to the way Obamacare was jammed down our throats, the way that .gov has been exposed for listening to our phone calls and other private conversations as well as their comical handling of things like Fast and Furious, etc. If we could turn this into a pro-government, anti-government type of republic, I'd bet we would all fare a lot better. I'd bet that the only people who are pro-government depend on the government to send them their monthly checks. Everyone else has to be concerned that our government has gone way too far in their control of the people. The Patriot Act has given .gov powers that, essentially, have circumvented the Constitution of the United States and Obama, et al, are abusing it to no end.
 
The word you're looking for to describe these people is "libertarian"...
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I'll also add that it's possible to be a libertarian and still have socially conservative views. They can still believe that something is immoral or wrong, but they don't believe in using government power to impose those views on society. However, private organizations and people could still act as they please and uphold whatever moral code they want.
 
I think this idea of creating a pro-gun PAC could be a good way to help out other states. However, even with a lot of money, what chance would a pro-gun candidate have of winning?
 
However, even with a lot of money, what chance would a pro-gun candidate have of winning?
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Let's face it. Money buys elections. More ads = more exposure for the person running. Bloomberg put millions behind certain people to get them in office and it worked a lot more than it didn't.

I also favor a central fund for elections only. Let the NRA-ILA handle the court fights and we need to set up a fund for politicians who support what we support.
 
I know lots of gun owners here in Washington state who would be outraged by a registration law such as the one enacted in CT. Yet, many are too stupid, lazy or cheap to join the NRA, and/or Gun owners of America and the Second Amendment Foundation, let alone contribute money. Soon, we will see, here in Washington, if there are enough of us to ward off the well financed Initiative 594 that would require all gun sales, whether newly purchased or previously owned, to be registered by an FFL 4493 form before a firearm can be legally sold. This campaign is being largely financed by wealthy so called elites like venture capitalist Chip Hanauer and the gun hating, New York mayor, Michael Bloomberg. My point is that supporters of the Second Amendment are fighting a war against well financed anti-gun forces who will stop at nothing to destroy the Second Amendment. Like all wars, it will take MONEY and lots of hard work and dedication to the cause of our gun rights if we hope to retain those rights.

If you live in Washington state and you haven't contributed to I-591, the counter initiative to I-594, it isn't too late. And I might add, make sure you vote. Don't be fooled by the rhetoric of the gun grabbers. If I-594 passes it will result in registration and will not put a dent in crime. Anyone who thinks registration is not meant to be a prelude to confiscation is, in my opinion, delusional!
 
monotonous_iterancy said:
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The association of "pro-gun" with "Conservative" hurts our cause in certain parts of the country. It shouldn't be a liberal-conservative issue. It should be an American issue. We need to let people know that whatever their politics, they can be pro-gun and not have to buy the entire package. We should be trying to build a coalition. We can argue about other issues later.
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monotonous_iterancy,
That is true; saying that a conservative is always pro-gun and a liberal is always anti-gun would be incorrect. It's "more likely" that a liberal will be anti-gun based on the premise that government knows best, but nothing is a sure thing.

chuck
 
Let's face it. Money buys elections. More ads = more exposure for the person running. Bloomberg put millions behind certain people to get them in office and it worked a lot more than it didn't.
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Bloomberg and his cronies outspent pro-gun people by a factor of 7:1 in the recall elections in Colorado, and Coloradans still managed to oust two state senators (including the president of the senate) and forced another to step down.

Money doesn't always buy elections, but you have to have a motivated grass roots movement to counter deep pockets.
 
I believe that we (the gun community) are fed up with being pushed around and lied to. We are tired of the politicians and media trying to show us as out-of-control thugs. I believe that we will stand up with our votes, letters, email and calls and make them realize that we aren't the silent majority any more. I believe we've smelled the coffee and know we are in trouble and we need everyone to do their part if we want to keep what we have. Money will be needed to get the message across the media outlets. We do have both if we all join hands and make it happen.
 
I agree with those that said everyone of us needs to stand up and fight this. Just because you live in a gun friendly state right now doesn't make you immune to this mess. It will continue to spread unless we all stand up now. We need to quit bickering on the internet and come up with a game plan that we, as a nation of gun owners, can implement to combat this. The idea of starting at the school board level is an excellent idea. Trying to run for office yourself is an excellent idea. Many people have great ideas but fail to act upon them. And, I don't necessarily think its a lack of will but more a lack of know how. I think we need to have like a Civics 101 class or something. The problem is that this site I don't think allows things like this even if it is gun related. I think it would help out a lot because I really believe a lot more people would love to get involved but they do not know how and as I stated this kind of thing is not taught in schools anymore. What do you guys think? Do you think we could start a room on basic civics and go from there to come up with some kind of a game plan?

As far as those that are out of state that would like to help out, "What can we do?" As for having money to get our message out in the media? That's hard to do when most of the media outlets that would be the most effective are essentially blocked from pro gun messages. The outlets that are open cater to groups that are already pro gun and don't really need encouraged because they are already pro gun. Just like one of the magazines I work for wanted to do ad countering the opposition to AR's. It was a great idea but I reminded them that 99% of our readers were already in favor of AR's so putting that message in an already pro gun magazine with a pro gun reader base would have been kind of stupid. So, not only do you need money and an awesome grassroots effort but you have to smart with your playbook, otherwise its just a wasted effort. Again, we need to come up with a game plan that we agree upon and start implementing it nationwide.
 
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I agree with those that said everyone of us needs to stand up and fight this. Just because you live in a gun friendly state right now doesn't make you immune to this mess. It will continue to spread unless we all stand up now. We need to quit bickering on the internet and come up with a game plan that we, as a nation of gun owners, can implement to combat this. The idea of starting at the school board level is an excellent idea. Trying to run for office yourself is an excellent idea. Many people have great ideas but fail to act upon them. And, I don't necessarily think its a lack of will but more a lack of know how. I think we need to have like a Civics 101 class or something. The problem is that this site I don't think allows things like this even if it is gun related. I think it would help out a lot because I really believe a lot more people would love to get involved but they do not know how and as I stated this kind of thing is not taught in schools anymore. What do you guys think? Do you think we could start a room on basic civics and go from there to come up with some kind of a game plan?

As far as those that are out of state that would like to help out, "What can we do?" As for having money to get our message out in the media? That's hard to do when most of the media outlets that would be the most effective are essentially blocked from pro gun messages. The outlets that are open cater to groups that are already pro gun and don't really need encouraged because they are already pro gun. Just like one of the magazines I work for wanted to do ad countering the opposition to AR's. It was a great idea but I reminded them that 99% of our readers were already in favor of AR's so putting that message in an already pro gun magazine with a pro gun reader base would have been kind of stupid. So, not only do you need money and an awesome grassroots effort but you have to smart with your playbook, otherwise its just a wasted effort. Again, we need to come up with a game plan that we agree upon and start implementing it nationwide.
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We do have an "activism" section here. As far as getting our message out, I have a few ideas off the top of my head.

1. Billboards. Buying billboards is a great way to reach a lot of people. It can be financed by businesses, groups of individuals, or maybe individuals themselves if they have the money. With the right message, it can be powerful.

2. Freelance articles. Beyond sending letters to editors, we can pitch articles to magazines and publications. We don't even have to be overtly political. We can send personal stories of gun ownership, sentimental memories, and even stories of guns being used to save our lives to general interest magazines like Reader's Digest.

The personal nature of it will make it non-political, but still come off subtly as pro-gun. That personal nature also makes it powerful, it humanizes gun owners. Your pitch might be rejected, but it's worth a try.

3. Leaflets and booklets. Printing and handing out literature about gun facts is a great way to influence people. They might read them, take them home, and start conversations within their families about the issues raised.

4. Emphasize that everyone has a stake in gun ownership. No matter what one's political views, ethnicity, or religion, we can articulate the reasons for gun ownership through the lens of that demographic. For example, African-Americans might be receptive to hearing about the Deacons for Defense.

As always, a tool I find invaluable in debates on gun control is Gun Facts. It's free, and crammed with hundreds of pages of statistics and facts to counter the lies and distortions of anti-gun talking points.
 
For everyone who talks about pro-gun candidates....don't forget Harry Reid was pro-gun.

I think the best answer is to sue the pants off of towns, cities, and states. They cannot afford to constantly pay settlements. Many interest groups have found success in constantly suing people for any reason so they would be so afraid.
 
What Good...

...is having a gun you can never take to the range or use to defend yourself? They'll move someday, maybe -- in the meantime, they are where they are. Some are balancing out what that means and hoping for the best. Give 'em a break.

You also don't know what they're NOT doing, do ya spankies!
 
Interesting reading the first part of this thread, with certain people basically calling those who registered their guns cowards.

The way I see it, people have 4 options:

1. Get rid of guns that need to be registered.

2. Register your guns

3. Refuse to register your guns. Stop practicing with them, and if you ever have to use them in your home, rely on Shoot, Shovel, and Shut up.

4. Refuse to register your guns. Go down to the police station and start shooting. Alternatively, drive down to the state legislature and start shooting.



Number one is out. Number three is seriously unwise.

That leaves 2 and 4. Start the revolution, or register your guns.

Seems to me that every time someone has tried to do something like number 4, the gun community is the first ones to denounce that person or group as terrorists, criminals, racists, child molesters, and whatever else. I have not seen any support from the gun community at large for any person or group that has tried to act in a military fashion against the government.

So all I have to say is this: If you want to call someone a coward for registering their guns, you'd better start supporting people like David Koresh, Timothy McVeigh, and Christopher Dorner. If you feel that that is not appropriate, then shut your mouth about the people who choose to register their guns for now.
 
Page 3 is a prime example of why we will lose. One talking about giving up or shooting and others try to dived others up into a liberal or conserative camp. Last time I looked at our founding documents I saw noth about conservatives or liberals. It dealt with AMERICAN CITIZENS. If ypu folks can't put your personal political leanings aside we will lose eveything.

United we stand

Divided we fall.

Your choice.






Read this and the comments

http://m.washingtonpost.com/politic...-8def-a33011492df2_story.html?tid=HP_politics
 
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