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Consent-To-Search in Oakland, CA

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by kamagong, Apr 12, 2008.

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  1. kamagong

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  2. Kentak

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    Say, "No."
     
  3. Crimp

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    Sigh...

     
  4. Nate C.

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    Here's a concept, people of Oakland: If YOU are a parent, YOU take responsibility for raising your kid. If YOUR kid is sufficiently lacking in upbriging that he is strapped, YOU remove the gun from your kid's room. Then YOU take appropriate action, as a parent.

    Geez.
     
  5. mekender

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    "no sir, you may not search... in fact, there is no need to search... all of my guns are right here... they are all legal... and i love to shoot them... have a nice day"
     
  6. caltek1911

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    Agree with Nate C. Are parents that inept that they cannot check their owns kids rooms that they need the police to do it for them?

    Unbelievable.
     
  7. romma

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    No Thank you Officer Friendly. This program you are running seems illegal to me though Officer.

    If it isn't, it should be Officer!
     
  8. rainbowbob

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    Maybe parents could grow a set and try something like this:

    "Where do you think you're going?...Get over here!... You're not going anywhere in that baggy outfit until you turn out your pockets... And while we're at it, I want to see the contents of your closet, your dresser drawers, coats, sweatshirts, and under the mattress."
     
  9. Im283

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    so how do they decide which neighborhoods to begin this search in? I suspect that they will not be going to upper middle class white suburbia. Sounds like there will be profiling going on.

    Why would anyone consent to this crap?
     
  10. pbearperry

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    As soon as you allow your son to walk out of the house with his hat on backwards,his baggy pants below his Johnson,and his Gangsta rap CD's,you have lost the game.KIds will try anything if you don't pay attention to them.Also keep in mind,you can never get a Kentucky Derby winner by breeding two Jackasses.
     
  11. DRZinn

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    "NO. Have a nice day." <closes door>

    How hard can it be?
     
  12. jparham

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    Hmm- I probably wouldn't even be polite. God gave us middle fingers for a reason.
    I bet, in little time, Berkely will adopt a similar program,, but without the "Consent" part.
    Nice to see the ACLU doing there part. They may not do much for the 2nd Amendment (that may change after Heller) but they do defend the constitution.
     
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    I don't think they will get far with this in Oakland. If they do, it won't be what they want either, with where they do the searches. At least they haven't tried to do this in Richmond.
     
  14. ColinthePilot

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    I don't see how it is illegal. If the resident gives consent to search, even though he's an idiot, it seems legal to me.

    I would be polite, because there's no need to be a jerk about someone asking for permission to look around your house. As long as when I politely decline, they walk away.
     
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    The only reason I could see anyone consenting to this is if they know their kids have guns but don't want the fallout from confronting their kids on their own. Call it linguini-spined parenting, but we all know it exists out there, especially in divorce situations.

    Everyone else should tell them to pound sand.
     
  16. lee n. field

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    That's too complicated.

    Try this instead.

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  17. DRZinn

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    That is currently at the very top of my wish list.
     
  18. romma

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    I respectfully disagree.

    I think it is high time, at least in certain instances that apalling actions, (at least apalling in my opinion) should be met with some degree of shock and some level of astonishment that a program of this nature would ever be launched...

    Besides, I don't think the text of my hypothetical statement to Officer Friendly made me come across as a jerk at all. I was polite, and at the same time expressed my honest opinion to him.

    This way he can offer feedback to his superiors about how this program is viewed by some of those randomly selected for participation.

    Basically, "No thanks Officer Friendly"... "And you can pass my sentiments along to the top Brass"...
     
  19. makarovnik

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    How come when I call the police about drug activity in my neighborhood or after receiving threats against my life from my wife beating child hating drugged up and drunken neighbor, the cops are nowhere to be found?

    Usually the anwer is "We don't have enough man power to respond to every little call". But Oakland has enough man power to go door to door searching for in most cases non-existent guns. I would be rude so they get the message this is a waste of tax payers money and it takes "man power" away from dealing with legitimate crimes that are being commited.

    Also they say they will ask the parents permission to search the house. How much do want to bet that sometimes they knock when a parent isn't home and ask a minor if they can search the home. Is the non-parent going to be firm enough with the police to say "no"?

    This is a bad idea and is going to cost a lot of money. I would be happy if the police would just try to focus on enforcing the laws already on the books before the go off on another tangent with something new.

    I also think it is the parent's jobs to search their own homes and their own kids rooms. This is just another example of the responsibility of raising children being pushed off to someone other than the parents. There is already too much of that going on. Stop the insanity!

    Now if the parents REQUEST the police to search their homes, that might be a different matter but I still don't like it.
     
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    If the program gets talked up in the "hood" as seems to be implied, I suspect that the children will hide their hardware in some other place other then their home. This is another feel-good program designed to make the community think that something is being done, when it really isn't. The real answer would be to go after the gangs, break them up, and jail the members.

    But of course that won't happen. :banghead:
     
  21. Blue .45

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    Aren't they trying the same thing in D.C. ?
     
  22. TAB

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    No, have a good day.

    No reason to get pissy with the cop, he is just doing what he is told to do. You need to point your disagrement with this crap to the proper place... the guys that came up with the idea.
     
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    The DC proposal has run into a lot of flak from the ACLU (with the quiet but powerful support of the NRA), and now the police chief is dancing backward.

    The first proposal was that several police officers armed with assault rifles would "demand the right" to search houses. That soon got revised to a couple of officers making a "request". Then to a single officer in civilian clothes who could summon aid if the consent was given. I am not sure where it is now, but some very powerful people are ticked off, especially as it was made clear that "requests" would be targeted at blacks. "We obviously would not be concerned about Northeast [a predominately white area]", a police spokesman said. That got a great reception from the ACLU.

    Jim
     
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    "Do you consent to a search of your home for weapons?"

    "Gee, I don't know officer. Does your chief consent to a cavity search for a stick?"
     
  25. vynx

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    Geez, someone wants the police to search your kids rooms...why not just have the state take them (the children) away for "re-education" my god ********** is getting worse every month!
     
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