Constitutional Carry Question:

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

Okay, like the post I had a while ago in the General Forums, I seen an Article in the NRA Facebook page saying that they were pushing Iowa towards constitutional carry (exact terminology forgotten).

Now, with constitutional carry, does that mean I can carry any way I choose? Open or concealed? Or just concealed or just open? And I realize that this mean carry without a permit.

Can someone enlighten me?

 

[Scimmia]

The wording the NRA is pushing for is:

The right of individuals to acquire, keep, possess, transport, carry, transfer, and use arms for defense of life and liberty and for all other legitimate purposes is fundamental and shall not be denied or infringed. Mandatory licensing, registration, or special taxation as a condition of the exercise of this right is prohibited, and any other restriction shall be subject to strict scrutiny

It doesn't specify anything about concealed, open, etc so you would have a constitutional right to carry any way you choose.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

Okay. I just wanted to clarify. I've got my fingers crossed hoping it passes. How close are we, do you know?

 

[Scimmia]

I think it's supposed to be up for a vote in the House today. It's been ammended a couple of times and the NRA is going to try to get it back to it's original wording, but I haven't even been able to figure out what's been changed. Either way, if it passes, it has to be voted on by the Senate. If that passes, it has to be passed by both the House and Senate next year. After that, it goes on a statewide ballot.

Even then, it doesn't exempt you from the federal Gun Free School Zone Act. This means that without a permit, you can't knowingly carry within 1000 feet of school grounds.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

Well I figured the school zone thing would still be in effect. I just wish that it'd go in effect sooner rather than later.

 

[X-Rap]

Good for Iowa, you folks have taken some big steps in the last few years and looks like your not done yet. Congrats, hope it all passes.

 

[Varmiter]

Down here in AZ, we have a very good Constitutional Carry provision in that anyone not prohibited from owning a handgun can carry it either concealed or openly. Even someone from out of state. AZ also maintains a permit system for reciprocity purposes.

So, if this does eventually get on the books, will it be Constitutional Carry for out of staters, or just IA residents. Also, will IA maintain their permit system for reciprocity purposes?

Lastly, generally Constitutional Carry ONLY removes the necessity for a permit. All other restriction will still apply.

Chris

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

Indeed. I was astounded when we went to an "I Shall" state. Big steps in my opinion.

 

[Owen Sparks]

Restoration of the Constitution would solve a lot of problems. The 2A has routinely been infringed for over a century.

 

[Varmiter]

This just in.....hummm

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/...apitol-in-protest-in-an-undisclosed-location/

Chris

 

[Standing Wolf]

Thank you for the link, Varmiter. It appears representatives of the Democratic [sic] party in Iowa are desperate for attention.

Four states have constitutional carry: Vermont, Alaska, Arizona, and Wyoming. Four out of 50 is a start.

 

[KsThumper]

Iowa House Democrats this morning left the Capitol in protest of two gun bills the Republican majority had planned to debate today.

That seems to be the Democrats answer to tough issues these days - i.e. the Wisconsin and Indiana Legislature.

Why don't they just 'Present' like Obama did 129 times during his eight years in the Illinois Senate.

Examining Obama's 'Present' Votes in Illinois

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

That's a little immature to me. Especially if McCarthy had worked with the NRA on gun-rights before. What I'm seeing here is that he doesn't want the "Wild Wild West" mentality. Not like it'd be there anyway, just saying.

 

[Scimmia]

So, if this does eventually get on the books, will it be Constitutional Carry for out of staters, or just IA residents.

We'd have to wait and see how it got written into law. I would guess it would be everyone, but who knows.

Also, will IA maintain their permit system for reciprocity purposes?

They'd better, not just for reciprocity but for the GFCZA exemption. I live within 1000 feet of school grounds and have three more I drive by to get most places. Without that exemption, I'll be putting on more miles going way around.

This just in.....hummm

http://blogs.desmoinesregister.com/...apitol-in-protest-in-an-undisclosed-location/

Chris

Gotta say I didn't see that one coming. This "take my ball and going home" attitude is getting tiring.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

Tiring and immature. The nerve of some people, I swear.

 

[mortablunt]

Open or concealed wherever you want without a permit is Constitutional Carry.

 

[skidder]

There is a reason why they call them constitutional carry states. I wish my state would pull its head out.

 

[Scimmia]

Well, on the plus side, the Dems came back late in the afternoon and the House passed both the stand your ground bill (60-38) and the constitutional ammendment (61- 37). As far as I know, they haven't gotten to the preemption bill. The constitutional ammendment was ammended back to essentially it's original wording that I posted previously.

Edit: ROFL! if anyone is wondering where that 61st vote came from on the constitutional ammendment, I was looking through the House Journal and found this:

On February 29, 2012, I inadvertently voted “aye” on House Joint Resolution 2009, I meant to vote “nay”.
LENSING of Johnson

 

[armoredman]

AZ is working on a bill to address the fed school restriction by stating anyone lawfully carrying a firearm is covered.

 

[Zombiphobia]

anyone lawfully carrying a firearm is covered

yeah, but the 'lawfully' part can be awfully confusing and restricting at times.

 

[K-Rod]

I'm curious about these states that have Constitutional Carry. Are you required to take a weapons training/saftey course to be able to carry?

Here in Idaho the law states you have to complete one of these certified training classes in order to get your concealed weapons permit. If you want a hunting license, you have to take Hunters education. Now most of the places here that do the training courses to get your concealed weapons charge around $300 for a 3 day course!! I've seen classrooms full of people taking this course. Unfortunately these people are not hunters. If they were, they would probably know that the law recognizes Hunters Education as an approved certified course & you can use your Hunters Education certificate to get your concealed weapons permit. Now Hunters Ed here is 4 2hr days & 1 field day but, its only $8.

Sometimes I want to stand outside the door of these places to tell these people they could save $292 but I'd probably be run off the premises!!!

So if you live in Idaho & your a hunter & have your Hunters Ed card, you can take it down to the sheriff's office & apply for your CWP.

 

[Birch Knoll]

AZ is working on a bill to address the fed school restriction by stating anyone lawfully carrying a firearm is covered.

How is that supposed to work? The GFSZA exempts those that hold a CCW license issued by the state, provided "the law of the State or political subdivision requires that, before an individual obtains such a license, the law enforcement authorities of the State or political subdivision verify that the individual is qualified under law to receive the license". So any wholesale authorization that AZ might grant would not qualify.

 

[Scimmia]

I'm curious about these states that have Constitutional Carry. Are you required to take a weapons training/saftey course to be able to carry?

Constitutional carry means you have the constitutional right to carry, period. No permit, no training, no fees, etc.

 

[LJ-MosinFreak-Buck]

Now off to the senate and hopefully they let it pass.

 

[skidder]

Constitutional carry means you have the constitutional right to carry, period. No permit, no training, no fees, etc.

Clear and to the point, thanks Scimmia.

Years of favors and promises of a better life is the silver that drips from their mouths. Safety courses, permits, qualifications, waiting periods are premeditated deterrents and a shadow of their real intentions. They don't give a rats about our safety, but they use this excuse to make it harder for law abiding citizens to carry. The guy outside the 7/11 didn't qualify or take any class, but they use his actions as an excuse to pass more of these infringements. Dang it.... I get a bee in my bonnet every time I read about these violations of our 2nd Ammendment .