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Converted Saiga 12 opinions

Discussion in 'Shotguns' started by KScollector, Mar 13, 2012.

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  1. KScollector

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    I recently bought a Saiga 12 and converted it. Now I want to truely customize it so mine may be like others, but not identical. Im thinking laser engraving it. Anyone have a good original idea of what designs to engrave? I was thinking a small soviet sickle and hammer just above the release button on the back of the dust cover. Its uncommon and credits the weapons soviet origin. Only things I dont want to bother with is sending in the barrel or reciever. Any recomendations on who to go thru for the engraving? Last thing I wanna ask is if anyone knows where I can get a red dot for under 120 bucks that will withstand the power of the s12, and my mossberg 500. I hear they will both eat thru 80 dollar holosites, but I have trouble convincing myself to spend more on a scope than I would on a decent used pump shotgun. (Got my moss for 120)
     
  2. JohnnyK

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    I'd get a good recoil pad before anything else and if you haven't tried it yet... shoot clays with your s-12... but nothing sucks more than a huge bruise on your shoulder after shooting a 12 guage... same for mossberg 500... my first gun... kicks like a mule... spent $100 an a recoil reducing stock... no more bruises and worth every penny...
     
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  3. KScollector

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    I have shot them both quite a bit. The mossy got a stock with built in pad and doesnt cause anymore bruising on me. Been thru 75 rounds in one day. The s12 had less kick after the conversion. Been thru 20 rounds of #00 and 100 rounds of bird shot with only minor bruising from the buck shot. Not enough to keep me from shooting more bird shot the next day. Thanks for the tip tho. May invest in one if my girlfriend decides its too strong for her.
     
  4. Carl N. Brown

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    The Saiga semi-auto action reduces the recoil of a 12ga to a gentle push: I was surprised pleasantly. No need for a recoil pad.

    On engraving, in my opinion Saiga sorting guns are more Russian than Soviet (quite frankly), so I would balk at putting a hammer and sickle on one.
     
  5. KScollector

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    Well I havent done my forgin research but I thought it was designed during the soviet era, and unless im mistaken (which I may well be) the soviet movement spawned from russia. But by all means, please correct me if im wrong. And im open to other ideas.
     
  6. Dave McCracken

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    Instead of the Soviet hammer and sickle, how about the old Russian Imperial Eagle?
     
  7. KScollector

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    Ill admit I am a bit biased in favor of the hammer and sickle just because its a cool looking design, but I still want it to mean something. I would feel like an idiot if I put it on there, then found out it wasnt designed till after the soviet union desolved. Its only a slight bias tho. Mostly due to lack of ideas so far.
     
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    Not sure that Ive seen the imperial eagle. Sounds like that would be pretty cool too. Ill have to go look that up. Maybe I have seen it and just didnt know what it was. *edit... Just did some checking and found the imperial eagle. Quite the impressive emblem I must admit. Now to do more research and find out which emblem would have been more relevant for the time the s12 was put into service. Also considering the greek phrase for 'come and take them.' Ive seen that on some AR platforms. Maybe russian instead of greek? Idk yet...
     
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    The hammer and sickle would be more modern, the Imperial Eagle is reeeeally old. Like pre-Soviet Union. It still looks awesome, though.
     
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    I don't think the Saiga existed until sometime in the late 1990s.

    Putting the hammer and sickle on a post-soviet design doesn't make any sense.
     
  12. KScollector

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    Thanks for the info guys. I was thinking the s12 came out in the 80's sometime.
     
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    You must be of a post Cold War generation because the idea of putting a hammer and sickle on my firearm is repugnant in the extreme.

    Having said that, as the Saiga is based on the AK platform, the hammer and sickle would be perfectly appropriate; much more so than the Imperial Romanov eagle. Perhaps you could add a motto like "Brought to you by the murderers of over 20 million people " or "From the regime that brought you Totalitarianism and Repression in the name of the People ". Something cool, like that.
     
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    I call my S-12 "From Russia, with Love"... that might be appropriate for her...
     
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    Im sorry if the hammer and sickle offends you, none is intended for sure. Your right that im not old enough to remember the cold war. However the war is over, the soviet union has disbanded, and the US is not in threat of losing its democracy. So please forgive me for not being offended by the symbol, and for considering it to represent to origin of the weapon. Just to be clear, I mean all this with respect. Different people feel different ways about these issues. Perhaps the greatest thing about the US is freedom of choice, and tolerance of others beliefs. Im far from antipatriotic, I would defend my country, even against its own government if need be. Ive served my term in the army. Im just not threatened by old symbols. Draw me a swastica and it will make me think of nazi germany, but not that the person who drew it must be a nazi. (Tho I might be a bit suspicious.) To me the hammer and sickle represents a time and place more than a beliefe and ideal. The main difference is there arent alot of people out ties with soviet tattoos commiting hate crimes keeping the symbol alive. The swastica used to be a peace symbol before hitler adopted it. Just my feelings and seasoning behind the whole matter.
     
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    In retrospect my post may have been viewed as a dig at you. Sorry, it was not intended as such. It was a dig at the regimes and political philosophies that use the hammer and sickle as a symbol. You make valid points. You are from a different generation and the Cold War has been won. It was won however at a cost. Some of that cost included the lives of your fellow citizens, killed by weapons bearing the design you are considering for your Saiga.

    I am not suggesting that you are unpatriotic. But for me, the hammer and sickle represents a philosophy and a regime not all that different from the one represented by the swastika. It would be almost as repugnant to me to put the hammer and sickle on my firearm as to put a swastika on it. You asked about designs. Many people will feel the way I do. That doesn't make putting the hammer and sickle on your Saiga "wrong". As you correctly note, ours is a free country.
     
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    Though I'd like to point out Russia still has a MASSIVE nuclear arsenal, most of which is till pointed at us. Heck, they threatened to nuke us as recently as last winter.


    Their president (for life probably) is a former KGB operative who worked hand in hand with the East German Stasi rooting out and eliminating enemies of the state. Putin was a hard line communist right up till the point that the CPSU totally collapsed.
    Russia is no more a friend to the US than the Soviets were.
     
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    How about "Liberty or Death", or some other appropriate patriotic saying, translated into Russian? That way you get the Russian aspect of it, but you also reflect your American patriotism. Just an idea, take it as you will.
     
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    I have to take a little exception to your view here. WWII was before I was born. Yet, I still owe a debt of gratitude to those that were there during those times and a degree of respect. I great many are still alive from WWII and I would say most are still alive from the cold war. I sit here able to write this opinion because of those people. You can speak about freedom of choice and tolerance. All of us should cherish those gifts of freedom but not call upon them when we choose in order to justify being disrespectful. Regardless of your adult age these things apply. There are things in life you must do. Then there are things in life you have a choice about. Use a little class when you have the choice about it. The respect you pay to others around you will come back many times over. I wouldn't use the hammer & sickle nor the swastika. Too many other options are available.

    I apologize if I offended you. How about a little tolerance?
     
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    I like the beautiful "Cupolas" seen on many Russian

    orthodox churches in Moscow, St Petersburg and other cities. You could engrave or etch 2 or three in color and it would be unique too. Just a different thought. Snoop
     
  21. KScollector

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    I like the liberty or death idea. I came looking for ideas, not political debat. I do indeed respect all those who have stood for freedom past and present. And I dont use tolerance or freedom of choice only when they work in my favor. Maybe I should have given the idea of a hammer and sickle more thought since I was unaware that it was still felt upon so strongly by so many. But either way, Ive gained some valuable advice, and insight. So for that, I thank you. Also thanks to those who pointed out some other ideas for me. Im sure I can come up with something. Ill post some pics if I remember when I get around to getting it engraved.
     
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    A bit tongue in cheek...

    You've seen the Calvin (of '... and Hobbes' fame) peeing on Ford/Chevy/Mopar emblems on trucks, right?

    How about the ol' crusher and slicer on one side of the dustcover, Evil Calvin on the other with a little stream reaching over the top? You can even have the tinkle brass (or gold... gold would be good) inlayed.

    Win/win/win as I see it. Paying homage to an American Icon (and by the by an English philosopher), the weapon's AK/Soviet origins, and the stream for all those that want to deal with yesterday's problems rather than today's (let's not mention tomorrow's).

    You know, sometimes I amaze even myself.

    Can you tell I don't decorate my own firearms?
     
  23. KScollector

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    Thats a great idea, and very outside the box, I think it would be kinda over the top for a weapon. A sticker on a truck is one thing, but just doesnt seem like it would fit in on a firearm.
     
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    You do realize that your asking other people how to personalize YOUR gun so it can represent your originality. Anyone else see the irony in this?

    Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk
     
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    To me the Hammer and Sickle represents one of the worst totalitarian regimes in History, every bit as bad as the Nazis of the third reich. But hey some folks like to tatoo 88 and a swastika on their bodies. Its a free country so do as you please.
     
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