I saw a few pictures and videos of these little cannons, and became interested. For how inexpensive the 91/30 is, I want to pick up another one and convert it to a pistol. One video I watched, the guy said he has it registered as an SBR, but if you take off the stock, would it be possible to re register it as a pistol and avoid the tax stamp?
Converting Mosin-Nagant to pistol
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TexasRifleman
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No.
Federal law says that what you describe wouldn't be a "pistol", it would be a "firearm made from a rifle". That is defined as a firearm which was designed and intended to be fired from the shoulder that has been modified to have either a barrel less than 16 inches, or an overall length of less than 26 inches.
The only way to do it is with a tax stamp.
Whether a receiver is a pistol or rifle is determined at the moment it's first put together. Buy a bare AR lower for example and you get to choose. Buy a rifle and the manufacturer got to choose, you can't undo his decision and say now I want it to be a pistol.
TexasRifleman
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And of course to make it more bizarre you CAN go the other way. You can take a pistol and make it into a rifle, if you make the barrel length 16" and the overall length 26".
But it's a one way trip, you can't ever go back to pistol.
Gun laws give me a headache.
But it's a one way trip, you can't ever go back to pistol.
Gun laws give me a headache.
tyeo098
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The only exception being the Thompson Contender.
VT Deer Hunter
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The mini Mosin Nagants are called an Obrez and would make horrible psitols. Its illegal to make one anyway.
VT Deer Hunter
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How about a Mosin revolver. Its made by the same people but its legal and a real pistol?
TexasRifleman
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Unfortunately not even that one. After ATF lost before the Supremes they decided that the Supreme Court ruling ONLY applied to a very small number of TC kits sold complete with parts to build BOTH a rifle and pistol, purchased together in one box from the manufacturer.
They decided, completely on their own of course, that TC firearms sold individually did NOT come under the ruling in the case.
No one has challenged that since I don't believe. This link has a copy of the ATF letter on the subject. Like I said, gun laws give me a headache.
http://www.bellmtcs.com/store/index.php?cid=239
Notice that they have taken the position that how it comes from Thompson is the deciding factor. The kits came from Thompson "undecided" I guess is the best way to put it so they get a pass (according to ATF).
Hypnogator
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I think you're thinking of the Nagant revolver. It's often incorrectly referred to as the Mosin-Nagant, because of the service rifle, but it isn't.
It isn't the same thing at all.
tyeo098
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But its in a horrible and expensive calibre.
Apply for the stamp, pay your $200, make an Obrez:
kingpin008
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Incorrect. It's perfectly legal to make one, it's just somewhat expensive and requires some gov't hoop-jumping. THR member PTK has a Mosin-Nagant pistol, if I remember correctly. Looks like a fun little boomstick.
stickhauler
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Somehow I think your idea of "fun" is much different than mine. The full sized rifle kicks like an angry mule, that "fun" pistol has to be something like being gored by a bull that's kicking you in the gonads at the same time. But then again, I don't care for pain.
dogtown tom
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Moisin Nagant- $100
ATF tax stamp for SBR- $200
Hacksaw- $15
Having a $300 useless gun now worth $20, that you will never, ever be able to sell- Priceless
ATF tax stamp for SBR- $200
Hacksaw- $15
Having a $300 useless gun now worth $20, that you will never, ever be able to sell- Priceless
Frozen North
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No way! Ouch!! My Mosin Nagant kicks like a mule!
W.E.G.
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must post
kingpin008
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For those of you who think a SBR'd Mosin would be unbearable to shoot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNFsUvh078I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXMYhekpGhI
Looks about as painful as a PGO shotgun to me. Hopefully PTK will notice this thread and leave his opinion on the shootability of the thing, since one of the videos is of his gun!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNFsUvh078I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXMYhekpGhI
Looks about as painful as a PGO shotgun to me. Hopefully PTK will notice this thread and leave his opinion on the shootability of the thing, since one of the videos is of his gun!
kingpin008
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Why not?
USAF_Vet
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I saw the Tacticool short bbl Mosin Nagant over on 7.62x54r.net, so funny. The Obrez is a nifty little part of Russian history. I can not imagine the recoil though.
TexasRifleman
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"During the Russian Revolutions and Civil War partisans cut down the barrels and stocks of Mosin Nagants to create a 7.62x54r "pistol" known as an "obrez"."
That makes the firearm clearly of historical interest, not that there really needs to be an answer to "why", but since you asked nicely.
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