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Convicted robbers tell how they select their targets
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Ah, the silliness of the oversimplified and misrepresentative wolf, sheep, and sheepdog classification. I am fairly certain JT isn't living his life for the purpose of keeping people under control for exploitation and later slaughter at the whims of a master. That IS what sheepdogs do. You can break it down farther into there being two types of sheepdog, herders, and protectors, though some do double duty. Either way, they are involved in the exploitation and/or slaughter of others.
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I do not profess to be an expert. Based on my minimal experience most of the muggings that I was aware of were simply crimes of opportunity and the biggest deciding factor seemed to be "Can I get away with it?"
It's like the Briefcase scene in the movie Collateral. In the movie's context that was just random happenstance that the criminals walked around the corner, realized that the cab driver was helpless and decided to rob him.
Like everything else it's not a perfect analogy but it illustrates my largest point which is a lot of the time it just comes down to bad luck. Wrong time, wrong place,, wrong crackhead.
And you can do a lot to make your luck better by avoiding stupid places with stupid people at stupid times doing stupid things.
I don't do convenience stores. I don't do atms. And I don't do Central Park after Dark.
Consequently, I think it's been 5 or 6 years since anybody's tried to mug me
It's like the Briefcase scene in the movie Collateral. In the movie's context that was just random happenstance that the criminals walked around the corner, realized that the cab driver was helpless and decided to rob him.
Like everything else it's not a perfect analogy but it illustrates my largest point which is a lot of the time it just comes down to bad luck. Wrong time, wrong place,, wrong crackhead.
And you can do a lot to make your luck better by avoiding stupid places with stupid people at stupid times doing stupid things.
I don't do convenience stores. I don't do atms. And I don't do Central Park after Dark.
Consequently, I think it's been 5 or 6 years since anybody's tried to mug me
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Really pray tell can you quote the incident report numbers where anybody on my squad did that? I would like to read those reports
I spent the last two years before retirement running a 132 bed county jail. We housed federal prisoners and Cook County (Chicago area) prisoners on contract. This gave me contact with more then the local criminals in this rural area. Criminals are manipulative and will tell people whatever they think they want to hear in order to gain some advantage or privilege. I don't give any of these jailhouse interviews much credence. Most criminals live by reading people and manipulation. I once had a federal prisoner who was on his way to prison for the rest of his life (he had terminal cancer and knew he was going to de in a federal facility, he was the head of a ring involved in the distribution of opioids and responsible for at least 3 murders) tell me how he judged police officers he encountered by their appearance. While some of it made sense one of the criteria he used to judge what kind of trouble he would get from an officer was what weapon he chose to carry. One of the things he told me was that officers who carried a 1911 knew their guns, practiced with them and were best left alone or ambushed because they would be hard to beat in a gunfight. Why did I not accept that as true? I was carrying a Kimber Warrior on duty at the time. Someone with less experience might not have recognized that as an attempt to manipulate me, either to get me to let my guard down around him or to gain some kind of favor while he was in jail here. I was shorthanded the day we met and I went with one of my COs to pick him up from the feds and that's how he even knew what weapon I carried on duty.
Whenever you see something like this you need to ask yourself what the inmate thinks he can gain with what he says.
Whenever you see something like this you need to ask yourself what the inmate thinks he can gain with what he says.
The more people use youtube, the less I tend to pay attention to it. All these expert bloggers playing themselves off as experts. Like the active self protection guy . An electronics technician turned blogger. Never carried a duty sidearm, never been in a gunfight, probably never even been in a bar fight just looking at the guy, hes a geek. But now has the largest audience for gun opinions in human history. The wheels of common sense have fallen off the wagon.
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So is that the guy in the OP video? It's very difficult often to ascertain the credibility of some of the guys, and I note that so many of the YouTube gun-related videos have a lot of very young "influencers" and "content providers" so how much experience in the real world do many of them actually have?
Another reason why I don't normally do the YouTube thing (although I always enjoyed Mat Best's BRCC videos; he's got no sacred cows and a wicked sense of humor).
His "Instructor Earl" video is a classic (I know instructors like this, unfortunately). Mat has the ability to spoof every aspect of the firearms community, but he's spot on usually.
It makes little sense to discount the medium.
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I worked corrections as well. I got a lot of stories from inmates but very few of them knew we had access to their arrest records. My favorite tall tail story from a guy that said his charge was shoplifting a leaf blower from a hardware store to pay for his ex girlfriends drug habit. No, your arrest record states you robbed and pistol whipped a pizza delivery driver with two other people to get 20 bucks richer. These jail house interviews hold no water with me either.
Yes I found corrections was a completely different world then patrol. I thought I knew criminals until I took over the jail and had a lot more contact with them then I ever did working the street. One thing I found out was that officers who started out in corrections before moving to the street are often more effective then those who started on the street. A couple years with criminals in the jail are worth a lot of years on the street,
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Jeff is 100% correct in the point about a correction deputy is gonna make a lot better person at reading the people on the street until the rookies who don't have that experience get seasoned. Many times the deputy who makes initial contact and knows the person from jail can get a lot more detail quickly because if the deputy has been fair and impartial and the person knows them they will give the straight because of prior incidents. There was one guy I knew he stole cars for a living after about 10 years I didn't see him anymore well he went up to Fl State not the university next thing I know I got a guy same name real young but looked just like him. Yeah this was jr then about10 years after that here's another one looks like the old man well this is number 3 same name I put in for retirement the same year
Thats like saying there is little sense in discounting the media being its actually the same word
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An SO that I worked for as a reserve deputy while on active duty wouldn't put deputies on patrol until they'd done at least a few months or a year working the jail side. I've worked both sides, and I firmly believe you really learn your de-escalation skills and verbal skills working with inmates -- by the time you get on the streets, you aren't gonna allow yourself to be manipulated.
During my time in corrections, I always got a kick out of the inmates who puffed up in front of all the other inmates, posing as hard-care gangsters, bank robbers and big-time dealers... I can neither confirm nor deny that an officer might sometimes "accidentally" let it slip in front of other inmates that the guy was really down for molesting his ten-year-old stepsister. or exposing himself to an eighty-year-old lady in a park...
If one believes everything jail and prison inmates say, I've got a twin-span bridge over the Tacoma Narrows for sale, cheap...
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No. Speaking of YpuTube here.
Both media, I just prefer less of it in my diet.
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Do you think they bought the gun right before taking the class, kind of a like a package deal? When my father took his CCW certification class here in Texas a decade or so ago, my elderly mother and aunt also signed up for the class and they bought carry guns just for the class. Even though my mother was familiar with firearms and had shot them over the years, she was not familiar with that particular pistol and I doubt she shot it before the class. Same with my aunt. They both scored extremely well on the test, but I bet neither has shot their carry guns since then. My Dad shoots and cleans my mother's gun to keep it operational but if she had to use it I certainly doubt she would be proficient with it.
We try to get her to come with us to the range every time we go, but she has not been in years. I think she feels the threat of the gun is enough. Or maybe it just gives her peace of mind. But I guarantee in her mind she thinks that if it came down to it she would prevail. I have my doubts. I wonder what percentage of folks getting their carry license are just like her. Luckily she rarely goes anywhere without my Dad who carries two guns everywhere not prohibited.
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How do current criminology studies align with these findings? I am currently taking a criminology course and my text shows that criminals are less likely to attack those whom they perceive as potentially armed and that they are concerned more with armed civilians than armed police.
This is based on interviews with criminals so I have no idea of the validity of this information.
This is based on interviews with criminals so I have no idea of the validity of this information.
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I used to help out a Texas CHL instructor with his courses doing range safety. He was independent. The classes were usually a mix of renewing license folks and first timers. Most of the first timers were new to guns as well or at least new to handguns. As he was an independent instructor, he was not tied to gun sales and so the students were not getting package deals.
The scary part is that some of the renewing folks would unload the defensive ammo from their guns (before loading in ball ammo for the test) that they loaded into their guns when they last qualified. They hadn't shot their guns in the 5 years since last qualifying.
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The studies often align with the incarceration interviews. Namely, because many studies are based off the interviews. As covered, inmates will lie to sell a story they want you to hear. The real proof lies in real arrests. Find similarities among the victims. My work with inmates pointed to victims are chosen based on vulnerability. Criminals are like electricity and water, they like the path of least resistance. Specifically robbers liked to pick older victims, weaker to fight back and less likely to be armed.
its a big factor in valuing the message or we would all watch as much CNN and Vox as anything else waiting for ''the message''. I am happy to write off a range of media once the 'value' drops off or proves its absence.... by its absence. But then I dont watch the news, dont own a smartphone or do social media either. Thats my choice, as I said I use less and less of it these days. Being I made the comment generally and didnt direct my comments to anyone , I dont need you telling me post after post I should adjust my views, with all due respect.
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My point is, the fact that something has been put on YouTube is no reason to disregard it.
That's where we see a good many of the LEO shooting incidents that have been recorded on video. It's where we see a lot of instructional videos.
Surely there are a lot of blowhards using the medium to spout drivel, but that has to do with the message, and not the medium..
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Some people can't get it through their heads that the truth value of a statement is independent of the source.
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