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Convince me to buy an H&K P7-M8

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by RippinSVT, Jan 22, 2009.

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  1. RippinSVT

    RippinSVT Member

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    Hello boys, I need an honest opinion. How does the P7 M8 measure up against other smallish 9mm's? I have a chance to buy one new-in-box with 3 mags and all, for $900-1000 (we'll haggle, but $1000 tops). I love the gun, it's just a wierd little dude compared to my Beretta, Sig, Glock, etc. The gun has a almost a purple-ish bluing on the slide and fits like a glove in my hand, but $1000 is a good chunk of cash for a young guy to spend on a gun he's never shot. I have comtemplated selling out other guns to buy it, but I don't know that I want to get rid of any of my others just yet. Every time I walk into the gun store though, this gun calls to me, and I'm more of an "old gun" guy!


    Just convince me. I know I should.
     
  2. Retro

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    Buy the P7. It is extremely accurate. No double action trigger pull for the 1st shot... The firing pin is completely down at rest, unlike Glock which is cocked 1/3 of the way at rest after chambering. An excellent carry gun with 9 mm capabilities. In my mind, the P7 is the best carry gun, and then Makarov is the second one for its reliability.
     
  3. CPshooter

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    I, too, have been fighting myself over whether or not I should buy one. It seems to have ideal dimensions for a 9mm IWB carry gun.

    However, I do need to be schooled on the history/background on this gun. I know there are several models (ie: P7M8,9,whatever). When were each of them manufactured, and are they still currently being manufactured for sale in the US? Basically, what's the difference between all of 'em and which is the best and most desirable?
     
  4. Big Dave

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    If it's a P7M8 (magazine release not on the heel) buy it for $1000. It's a great gun, and if you don't like it, you can sell it at a profit.
     
  5. Dravur

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    If you don't buy it......

    I'LL BUY IT!!!

    That is a great price! I love P7M8s and I carry one almost every day.

    Here are a couple of mine. I carry the hard chromed one....

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  6. rcmodel

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    One thing worth mentioning is, you won't find any holsters that fit it at Wal-Mart I betcha!

    The P7 series is short in the slide, and heavy in the butt end.

    Takes a very well designed holster specifically for them, or they tend to want to fall out on the ground!

    rc
     
  7. Dravur

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    If you want,

    we make an Avenger style holster for the P7 and I have one in stock. It looks like this one.

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    Except for a P7. I carry mine in the same style holster, but made of black Sharkskin.

    Ill get pics of my rig and the actual holster if you are interested.
     
  8. hnk45acp

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    Great Gun buy it IF you like the way it feels. I wanted to love this gun and I had an offer to buy one for a great price but it just did not shoot well for me so I didn't get it. If you like the way it feels and shoots by all means GET IT!

    Some info on the p series
    P7M8 9mm 8 round cap.
    PSP Euro version with heel mag release
    P7M13 9mm 13 round cap. (big grip)
    P7M10 .40 S&W 10 round cap. HUGE SLIDE!
    P7M7 45acp only 6 ever made, rare like 45 Luger
     
  9. clang

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    I'm no P7 expert, but doesn't purple slide = reblued?

    I've been kicking around buying one of these guns for years. The NJ State Troopers carried them at one time. There were some last year on the market in the $600 range. The extra mags are nice, because they cost a good amount by themselves.

    This is an all steel gun, so it's no lightweight. If this is the way you want to go, you might also want to look at the Kahr K9 or E9. The Kahr is not single action, but it is all steel with a consistent trigger pull (but not single action). Not as much cool factor as the H&K but I have an old E9 and it's a reliable and accurate gun that cost me all of $275 used.
     
  10. gc70

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    Check this website for a huge amount of information about different P7 models.

    The price is right for a NIB P7M8 with 3 mags.

    The "plum" coloring of the slide reflects the difficulty of getting consistent bluing results on extremely high-quality steel. (The hammer on my Sig 239, which has most assuredly not been reblued, has also turned a beautiful deep plum color.)

    The design of the P7 is unique in that you get a gun with a full-size barrel (over 4") and full-size grip in a package with the overall size of a compact gun. The P7's fixed barrel eliminates the need for slide and frame space required by guns that use Browning-style tilting barrel locking. The design also results in a very low bore axis.

    The overall length and height of a P7 compares favorably to such guns as the Sig 239, S&W M&P compact, and even the Walther PPS with a 7-round magazine. The P7 is also slender. The downside of the P7 is its weight - 30 ounces or more, depending on which model.

    The squeeze-cocking mechanism of the P7 results in a very safe gun. Squeeze the grip and the gun is cocked, relax your hold on the grip a little and the gun is uncocked.

    Finally, will you like a P7? The P7 IS different and it seems that nobody who has shot one is non-commital about it - most love it immediately, but a few have no use for it.
     
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    one of the best shooting most comfortable 9mm pistols ever built. also because of the low bore axis and the high grip you can achive with this pistol its recoil is very low. and you will find the squeeze cocker action a little weird at first then after you get more comfortable with this system you will be very happy you bought it. i have 3 of these and will never get rid of them.
     
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    Instead of giving money to HK why don't you just write a check directly to Sarah Brady so she can buy snacks as she cheers HK's stupid lawsuit against GSG and American Tactical :barf:
     
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    I made the investment and bought a P7 (generally incorrectly called the PSP) over the P7M8 simply because the price was half that of the P7M8 and the main difference in features is only a heat shield and the magazine release. I happen to like the European heel style magazine release, and the P7 has become my favorite handgun despite the fact that I bought it before I had ever shot it.

    The P7 definitely has some heft to it, but it points very naturally for me. Additionally, I like the fact that it is very compact and also very slim. I was considering a Springfield EMP, but the P7 won out in the end.
    -hype
     
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    I agree completely..

    I do not think the P7 carries well in a belt holster suitable for concealed carry. It has a short slide and heavy grip.

    I had a P7 for a while, but got rid of it. It is an interesting curiosity, and worth playing with for a while, so you might as well buy one, play with it, and ditch it when you get bored. They are easy to sell thanks to internet hype. Like everyone says, they are very accurate.
     
  15. RippinSVT

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    Well then! I'm glad you guys came through for me. I think I may just buy it, pending I can selling a .357 snubby and maybe something else I don't use. I appreciate all the info fellas! I won't let ya down, I'm gonna love this gun, I just know it.
     
  16. Ohio Gun Guy

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    I hear its cold and dark in the gun case, you should really rescue it.

    Think of it as a humanitarian mission.


    You can do it! We're all counting on you.
     
  17. Boats

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    Howabout it's the only H&K in any form that measures up to the inflated reputation of the entire company?:D

    If H&K hates us, and we suck, well so too does the rest of their line from the beginning save for the genius that is the P7M8 and P7M13.
     
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    Hmmm. I carry one of my P7's in an inexpensive Uncle Mike's thumb break belt holster designed for a small auto, OWB. With a good belt it works great.
     
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    Weird, I carry one of these every day, in an open top holster. Ive never had it fall out, jump out, snatched out by an evil mastermind or even punched out.. I have caried one for years, no problem.
     
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    No, that purple color is just their special "plum" bluing. Probably original. And yeah, you're gonna want that gun...3 mags...wow! While a bit odd, the plum bluing is sort of a trademark and makes one of the best-built, best designed (if not most popular), all-steel guns ever made even more distinctive.

    I really want one but haven't seen one since they were selling them NIB 20 years ago for $1,200 when you could get a NIB S&W 59 for $350.
     
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    That's great but it doesn't work for everyone. I am not the only person with this complaint. <Sillies excised>
     
  22. Dravur

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    Sigh.... But complaining that the gun does not holster well for you is somehow different than me saying that it does? And other believe this? what others? do we have names?

    No gun works well for every single person out there. I was relating that in my personal opinion, the gun does everything I want it to do. You, were giving your opinion. So, the OP will have to go with who he finds more credible.

    hmmmmmm, I'm gonna go with Holsters well, for $200, Alex
     
  23. Lone_Gunman

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    Call the people at Milt Sparks holsters and ask them about holsters for the P7. They will tell you the P7 is more difficult than most guns to get a holster that works well. I have had that conversation with them. But what could they know?
     
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    The reason why P7-series pistols are hard to fit into holsters is because their center-of-mass is behind the trigger. Most of the weight is behind the trigger and there is so little "barrel" that traditional holsters don't have much to 'grip' onto.

    There are several well-respected holstermakers that have designed holsters to specifically deal with this. Milt Sparks always comes to mind with his Versa-Max II model. There are many others, but I've never needed to investigate further after getting a VM-II.

    Back to the OP, purple tint is usually an indicator of a refurbished P7M8 gun. Be wary of any NIB claims. The fact that it comes with 3-mags also tells me that it probably isn't NIB.
     
  25. waterhouse

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    I'll only say this: if you have an opportunity to try before you buy, please do so. The P7 is not for everyone. Some people really don't like them.

    Either way you'll probably be able to get your money back out of it, so it isn't a bad buy no matter what.

    If you want to save a few hundred dollars you can probably find a PSP for cheaper, same basic operating system, except for the heel mag release and a few minor differences.

    Just out of curiosity what holster were you using?
     
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