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Convince me to get a M1A Scout Squad over a DSA FAL.

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by dodging230grainers, Sep 9, 2008.

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  1. dodging230grainers

    dodging230grainers Member

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    As the title says, convince me to spend another $500 to get a brand new Springfield Armory M1A Scout Squad over a DSA STG-58.


    Well, let's hear your arguments for either side...

    Keep it civil, I understand fanboyism runs strong when it comes to .308 Battle Rifles...thanks! :D
     
  2. chriso

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    First off just look at the M1a compared to the FAL shouldn't that be enough? second of all It's more accurate out of the box, third JUST LOOK AT THE M1A COMPARED TO THE FAL!!!

    They are both proven firearms but i personally think the FAL is hideous and wouldn't even consider owning one.
     
  3. Z-Michigan

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    It's not quite apples to apples with an STG-58 - that is the parts kit gun that DSA makes. Their mostly/all new gun is the SA-58 that costs more like $1600+. The STG is supposed to be good, but it's not an all-brand-new-parts gun, to my knowledge.

    Anyway, the M1A should be somewhat more accurate. In any other respect I would get a DS Arms FAL, whether the STG or SA version. All depends what you want. I personally think FAL's look a lot cooler, but that's just opinion and the M1A has lots of fans too.

    Oh, quality FAL magazines are a lot cheaper than quality 20rd M1A (M14) magazines, for now at least.
     
  4. For Freedom

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  5. dodging230grainers

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    I just try post on several forums to get a broader range of answers, as not all members of certain forums are members on others.

    keep it coming!
     
  6. For Freedom

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    I know, I was just jerking your chain. :)
     
  7. Deer Hunter

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    My FAL shoots 2 inches with quality ammo. It's an STG58 built up by DSA.

    I didn't buy it to shoot off the bench all day, though.
     
  8. mljdeckard

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    I got an M1A used, with (I THINK it was) the SA 2nd Gen rail mount, and SA dedicated optics. (The scope was fantastic, I put it on a different rifle.) Take it to the range, and the first problem is, because the scope is mounted so dang high, and there is so little room to move it back and forth, I have to lean way into it to get a correct scope picture. After three shots, I had blood in my eyebrow, where the scope kept banging me. This means, I need a scope with an adjustable comb, or a custom stock with a raised comb to be able to shoot it from the correct posture. Ok, I guess I'll have to worry about that later.

    So, I used the iron sights, UNDER the scope mount. after repeatedly shooting, not even being on the paper, and raising the rear sight higher and higher, I ran out of room. The scope mount was so low, I couldn't adjust the iron sights, it cut into the sight picture. Couldn't use the scope, couldn't use the sights.

    Also, I wasn't shooting it any faster than I would shoot a bolt rifle anyway. The 20 rd mags and semi-auto were absolutely no advantage to me.

    I sold it and bought the 700 VS in .308. Maybe one day I'll try again, but I'll probably build a AR-10 if I feel I need a semi-auto battle rifle. The M1A is what it is, but if you want a scoped, precision rifle, you will need to buy one of the higher models that already come with the correct stock, or plan on doing a LOT of work on it to get it there.
     
  9. dodging230grainers

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    I don't care too much about pinpoint accuracy, however I will be doing alot of shooting with the iron sights.

    If one was to shoot mainly with iron sights, the M1A might be the best choice of all the MBR's, no?

    I am also drawn to the M1A because I get legendary M1 Garand iron sight accuracy in a compact package (m1a 18" scout).

    The FAL is still a legend in its own though.
     
  10. Bwana John

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    I couldnt decide on either... so I got both.

    Three 18" FAL's, and one 21" M1-A.:cool: The three FAL's cost about the same as the M-1A, but the M1-A is three times more accurate.

    Remember you are losing sight radius with the shorter M1-A barrel.
     
  11. Ash

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    My m1a was not a whole lot more accurate than my FAL, neither meeting the accuracy of my Garand. The m1a was, on average, 1.5-2 MOA. The FAL is about the same.

    I find it ironic that these days, being all new is considered a plus. There was a time that the goal was to get as much USGI in an M1a as possible, that the more commercial parts the rifle had, the less desirable it was. The STG-58 parts are new surplus parts, which to me makes them more desirable than the SA-58 parts, but that's just me.

    If you want a scout, get one. The FAL will do the job nicely, but the M1a will likely be a prettier set-up if you keep to walnut and steel. Get into the range of the "modernized" m1a and the FAL quickly becomes a beauty queen.

    Ash
     
  12. H2O MAN

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    Scout

    USGI, SEI and some Chinese M14 parts are better than reproduction M1A parts.
    The Scout Squad is a great rifle, but I would either make it a BUSH rifle and shoot irons
    or install an UltiMAK rail and use a forward mounted optic - I like the Aimpoint Micro red dot.

    [​IMG]



    Safe Queen, the FAL becomes a SAFE QUEEN.
     
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  13. Ash

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    In my experience, the $4,000 rifle or shotgun stays in the safe and the Mossberg or FAL go out into the field.

    Ash
     
  14. H2O MAN

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    There is no such thing as a $4000 scout.

    Do you have either of these?
     
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    You have too much money, so throw it away on the M1A.

    Well, that's the only logic I can see for picking the one over the other.
     
  16. AndyC

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    Buy whichever one you don't already have; I have a FAL and one day want an M1A - and then another FAL, and then.... ;)
     
  17. The Wiry Irishman

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    I thought you already had a DSA?
     
  18. dodging230grainers

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    Sold the DSA a while back for an AR-15. Now its time for a .308.
     
  19. H2O MAN

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    Or... you have little money, piss it away on an FAL.

    How can anyone have too much money?
     
  20. Dravur

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    I did... I got the FN FAL. There is something very classy about the FN. I'm not saying the M1 is a bad gun, but hauling a 2x4 around that has been inletted for a gun is not my idea of fun. Although, I do want to get a Scout MI sometime.

    But, to my taste, the FN is hands above the M1 in the looks dept.
     
  21. D Boone

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    I just held a DSA FAL with folding stock the other day... It changed my mind about getting one, just didn't fit me or seem to handle well. I already have an Norico M14 clone, but think I might go G3 or cetme next.
     
  22. DMR

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    It is easy to pump up the cost on these rifles. Depending on use the edge might go to the more expensive M-14 for accuracy and gun smiths availible to "tune" it. I don't like the pictured configuration for a few reasons, but if it meets your needs go for it.

    Base EBR price: $2298.95
    M1A Scout-Squad Rifle, $1,549.95 (GilbertsGuns.com)
    SAGE EBR Stock, $749.00 (US Tactical Supply)

    Pictured add ons: $1129.95
    AimPoint Micro T-1, $584.95 (SWFA)
    SureFire Scout Light Kit 01, $545 (Surefire.com)

    total: $3428.90 + shipping, transfer fees and labor if you don't put it together yourself.


    DSA FAL: $1515.95, a little more if you want the folding stock.
    STG58 Austrian FAL Carbine Rifle: MSRP $1200
    SA58 FAL Extreme Duty Scope Mount, MSRP $79
    FAL Rail Interface Handguard Full Length, MSRP $239.95

    AimPoint Micro T-1, $584.95 (SWFA)
    SureFire Scout Light Kit 01, $545 (Surefire.com)

    total: $2648.90 + shipping, transfer fees and labor if you don't put it together yourself.



    Me I have a slick built FAL Carbine for less then $1000:cool:

    There is a PolyTech M-14 in the local shop for less then $900 that keeps calling me though:uhoh:
     
  23. The Wiry Irishman

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    Sell the AR-15, get both the FAL and the M1A.
     
  24. geekWithA.45

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    You'll be well served with either.

    Me, I chose the m1a scout.

    Originally, I had a traditional scope on the SA 2nd gen mount, but honestly, that's not the scope the rifle wants. It just doesn't fit or work right on what was designed to be an iron sighted rifle at its core.

    Spring for genuine scout scope, either a Leupold or a Burris, and you'll find that a magical synergy is unleashed.
     
  25. Grayrider

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    I would say DSA FAL, but of course am biased. Do not get me wrong, I like M1As and would not sell my remaining one. However, I prefer the ergonomics of the FAL. It is supremely reliable in all conditions, and is a true military grade battle rifle rather than a commercial reproduction. The STG is made from often new (or at least never issued) Steyr and other contract parts, on our mil-spec receiver. Actually our manufacturing tolerances are tighter than original specifications due to modern manufacturing techniques. DSA makes and sells FALs to military contracts around the world, and the rifle civilians get from us is essentially the same thing save for the extra selector position or shorter barrels that some military customers require. The FAL is easier to support in the long run with parts very common, cheap magazines, and many, many accessories. I had a Scout and sold it for a SOCOM, which I then sold upon getting my first SA58. I have never looked back. You cannot go wrong with DSA FAL, and the STG is one of the best bargains out there in a battle rifle.

    John
     
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