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Cooper's advice on the Scout Rifle

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by George Hill, May 28, 2003.

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  1. George Hill

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    I think this is the best bit of advice Cooper has given on the subject of the Steyr Scout.
    But I disagree about the whining. For the price of a Scout, you can get any number of other rifles that are much much better... and in some cases you can buy two.

    Of course, I am of the opinion that the Scout is grossely over priced for what it is. I may be wrong.
     
  2. Dave R

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    Has Cooper ever mentioned the Savage Scout? On paper, it seems like a fine and affordable alternative to me. Have not tried one, but its on my list.
     
  3. duckfoot

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    I'm with ya on this one. Mid bore CZ with those great iron sights is what I'd want. Glass get dirty and busted.
     
  4. HankB

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    I've had a chance to handle and shoot the Steyr Scout. I believe it to be a good rifle. However, it's priced as if it was a great rifle.

    After assessing the Steyr Scout's workmanship and features, I've concluded Cooper is just plain wrong when he claims the high price is justified.
     
  5. Andrew Wyatt

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    I think the proce is justified. the scout IS a great rifle. if they came in left hand, i'd buy one if i wasn't poor.


    I'm building my own enfield scout eventually.
     
  6. El Tejon

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    Steyr Scout is an outstanding weapon even with its small bugs. However, it should be excellent.

    Oh, well, got to keep the gunsmiths employed.:D
     
  7. D.W. Drang

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    I think he has referred to it. He has often ridiculed the very idea of getting a $cout for le$$. He $eem$ to a$$ume that by $pending le$$ money you are necessarily getting le$$ rifle, and that This Is A Bad Thing.
    Myself, I'm not convinced that the Savage Scout is enough less of a rifle for me to worry about it. It doesn't have a built in bipod, or (I think) magazine holder, but other than that (IMHO) all it doesn't have is the Steyr name.
    Big deal.
     
  8. El Tejon

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    The Savage Scouts I have seen in action have fallen apart quickly. Could be just be seeing the lemons.
     
  9. BigG

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    $cout for Le$$?

    I find it a bit odd that people state Cooper scoffs at the po' man's scout. As I remember in his Commentaries, Cooper would continually extol the virtues of a trailer park class Rem 600/660 as God's gift to man. Now does the man at the same time look down his nose at a Savage and be uppity enough to eulogize an upper crust Steyr?

    I honestly think that he must be embarrassed by the execution of the S/S for the price but he has backed himself out on a tree limb, now do you expect for him to saw it off, too? Let the guy have his fig leaf! :eek:

    Oh well, you know he's also 82 years old. If he is saying inconsistent things, his mind is probably not all there.
     
  10. loudernhel

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    Cooper has made mildly disparaging remarks about the Savage Scout in general but I've never read where he has adressed a specific short coming in particular.

    I find much of what Cooper has to say to be useful. However, he is one of the last warrior princes and is able to live in his own little world that is different from the one the rest of us deal with day to day...
     
  11. Joe Demko

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    I own a pair of Remington 600's and most of what Cooper has said about them is true. They're nifty little guns. You could go to a gun show or buy one at an auction, mount long eye-relief scope and still have spent less than on the Steyr Scout. Since, IIRCC, Cooper worked up the scout rifle concept around the 600, you would still end up with a real and for true Scout rifle, albeit an earlier iteration of same.
     
  12. Andrew Wyatt

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    cooper was not impressed with the savage scout's lack of ten round magazines, bolt head problems(who'd have guessed that a 27 piece bolt is not the way to go for durability?), and somewhat inferior grade of scope mount, if i recall correctly.
     
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    Wasn't there a problem with early Steyr Scouts not functioning well with NATO-spec 7.62x51 ammo? And didn't the spare magazines have a tendency to pop out of the stock? And didn't Steyr expect purchasers to pay for upgrades to rectify these problems?

    And haven't Steyr's lawyers mandated that their Scouts ship with crappy triggers? So after paying through the no$e you have to either gunsmith it yourself of have it done professionally?

    Anyway, people are entitled to their opinions - I mean, if you've got one and love it, good for you. But after evaluating features and decent - but not spectacular - workmanship, I maintain the Scout is a good rifle, not a great rifle.

    That's my story and I'm sticking to it. ;)
     
  14. Art Eatman

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    George, I might not be correct, but I believe Cooper's comment, "People complain about the price of both the Scout and the Dragoon, but I see this as simple whining." was made before the Savage Scout was put into production. The Steyr was the only Scout being made, at the time of the comment. (IIRC, natch.)

    Seems to me that within the overall Scout concept, the Steyr has the advantage as to features which fit that concept. The argument then becomes, "What can you do for how much money?", which is a separate argument.

    :), Art
     
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    Could you elaborate? I have a Savage that I've put a couple hundred rounds through. Is there anything in particular I need to keep an eye out for?
     
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    I have a Savage Scout. Its a great little rifle. I've got "more than a few" through mine, dont know the exact number, but its close to a thousand, and have never any trouble with it. It came out of the box with a great trigger and will shoot under an inch at 100 yards off a bipod with my reloads. The scope mount is a little cheezy, but it does work. I did have to loctite it when I first got it, but thats all. My only beef with it is, the recoil pad is "sticky" and grabs(I hate recoil pads, rather have a checkered steel butt plate) and they dont provide a third sling point for a Ching sling. Thats not a biggie and easily fixed, but they could at least give you the stud. I dont know why so many people turn up their noses at Savages. I've owned a couple others and they were all accurate, well made and reliable rifles. Maybe they are just jellous? :)
     
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    Razor, bolt problems mainly.
     
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    Well, thats pretty vague. :) Any specifics?
     
  19. Andrew Wyatt

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    usually the bolt head comes off.
     
  20. George Hill

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    My Cooper quote was a direct cut and paste from his latest commentary.

    If Cooper is to be believed about this SS rifle, then he is also saying the same thing about all Steyr rifles. The SS is, for what it is, more than double it's actual value.

    Built in bi pod? You can get that in the new Kel-Tec rifle for crying out loud! They also come standard on many FN FAL rifles. You can get an FAL, with a bi pod... with a case of .308 ammo... and with the scope of your choice with money left over for a couple Glocks... all for the price of one little SS.

    Not Worth It.

    If you want a FINE rifle, the SAUER 202 rifle is pure sweetness for the same money. And it's a take down.

    Other than this issue... I am huge Cooper fan. I just feel this celebrity endorsement of a bad product is abusing Cooper's name and Cooper, the poor guy doesn't even see the forest for the trees.

    Still, Cooper remains one of the worlds finest men. They don't make'm like that any more.
     
  21. Delmar

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    The esteemed Mr Cooper has talked his way into a corner more than once. At one time, the 1911A1 was dangerous for the user because of the dreaded grip safety which could get you killed.

    The D&D 10MM was another well known item. The cartridge is a workhorse and will do likely most anything you want it to if you know how to shoot the weapon, but when the Bren Ten died, ole Coop took off for the 1911A1 camp and has been extolling its virtues ever since. The only thing that changed was his mind-not the 1911A1.

    This scout rifle issue really has me puzzled-there are any number of short, reliable rifles already being made in several action types and don't require 3 mortgage payments to buy them.

    And, having all the above negatives against the man, I like him anyway-for a large part I like his thinking and his humor. All of the above just makes him a human being with some quirks, and we wouldn't be human without them.
     
  22. Art Eatman

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    Hokay. I'd lost my bookmark, and was behind on reading his Commentaries. Regardless, that "whining" comment is a reprise of a previously offered opinion, not long after the first Steyrs were produced. :)

    Now, I like the concept of a Scout rifle, although it doesn't fill any niche for me, personally. Maybeso thirty years back, but not now. IMO, the Steyr version is not only over-priced, it's yougly. I could sell some under-used guns and get one, but I ain't gonna.

    As I listen to folks, there seem to be two types in discussions of costs (for all sorts of stuff, not just guns): One group gripes because something is too expensive--well, ain't that just too bodiddly bad? The other group regards something as not enough gun for the money, and it's less the affordability than it is wanting a fair deal.

    Changing emphasis: Maybe the Dragoon is more useful than the Scout. That is, if you really need to get that first (and accurate) shot off FAST, the target might be coming at you instead of going away from you. Teeth/claws/hooves, a .376 might be more the ticket than a .308...

    :D, Art
     
  23. Soap

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    IIRC, one can send their Savage back to the factory for a heavy duty bolt conversion. Maybe a 'smith was doing it...I'm not sure.

    The SS is a fine rifle there is no doubt about it. "Not worth it"? Then what is the use of having a Mercedes-Benz, BMW, Audi, Bentley, Jaguar, etc. when you can just use a Kia hatchback to get to work? You pay to get the intangible value as well as the tangible.
     
  24. Andrew Wyatt

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    Perhaps its because I think of every one of my guns as a weapon, and expect them to have utility as such, but I think the scout concept is a great one, and i think that a man can use his steyr scout rifle as a weapon more effectively than he can a typical remchester boltgun.

    Personally, i think a man needs to build his own scout rifle himself, instead of buying one off a rack.
     
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    A run of the mill Remington 700 ADL SY with the 20" bbl is the po mans scout rifle. Short & handy, lightweight, reasonable trigger, and add some good irons and your there, for about <500 bucks only.
     
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