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Cop of the year

Discussion in 'Activism' started by F4GIB, Jan 3, 2008.

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  1. F4GIB

    F4GIB Member

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    This story illustrates two things. The LE system (at all levels) does stink whether you a nobody or a well-known public figure. But there are isolated incidents of LE officers who don't passively endorse the abuse they see every day.

    Officer Sam Costales is a hero.

    http://www.theagitator.com/2008/01/03/cop-of-the-year-2007/

    ACTIVISM NOTE: Pass this item on to those of you friends who think all LEO's are like the Sargeant in St. George, MO. Let them know of one hero in blue.
     
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  2. skidmark

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    Sorry, but the cop is no hero. A hero would have stepped up at the time of the incident and intervened. A hero would have filed a written complaint immediately after the fact. A hero would have submitted a written repoort to the DA, requesting a criminal investigation.

    This guy waited until he was contacted by the plaintiff's lawyer. Yet your story says he returned to LE on the personal condition that he would speak out about abuses he witnessed. Sounds like he let himself down on this one.

    It plain sucks to be a whistle-blower. BTDT. Nobody likes you. Everybody hates you. You come to believe that all three ends of the stick are covered in brown stuff. Even if you don't become paranoid you know everybody is out to get you, and that your rear end is hanging out there all by its lonesome. If you are lucky you will just not get backup - if you are unlucky you will find out that those who are supposed to provide backup are either literally or figuratively shooting at you along with the BGs.

    But when it is all over, the question is still, can you look back at the person in the mirror without feeling ashamed? IMNSHO this guy can not. YMMV.

    stay safe.

    skidmark
     
  3. El Tejon

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    It's a sad day in America when the standard for "hero cop" is telling the truth under oath.:uhoh:

    Disclaimer: I know the Unsers from when I used to work at IMS. Even at their present age, I think the police were fools to take on the Unser brothers.:D
     
  4. wheelgunslinger

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    Very True, El Tejon.

    But, getting an officer to buck the fraternity and cross the line to stand on the side of someone who is only a citizen is a pretty big deal these days.
    Things are just so polarized.

    It couldn't have hurt that Big Al is loaded, though.
     
  5. buzz_knox

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    Getting them to buck the fraternity period can be hazardous to their health. During the Tennessee Highway Patrol scandal a couple years back, one trooper cooperated with the investigation into people buying their jobs and other cases of corruption. He ended up having to be reassigned out of concerns for his safety.
     
  6. F4GIB

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    Follow up story on the internal investigation into Costales:

    http://www.abqpoa.org/index.php?file=article&name=News&sid=109

     
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    Skidmark posted
    Here's what came out at the trial.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/news/story?seriesId=1&id=2697728
     
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  8. Blackfork

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    Police reputation.

    They burned it themselves. It's hard to read about outrages like this and the stories unfolding about prosecutors and DAs and not be very concerned for the country and civil government.
     
  9. skidmark

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    My apologies to Officer Costales for my previous comments, based on
    Thanks for bringing that to my attention.

    I'm still not sure about the "hero" thing, as I lack information about the exact protocol within his agency for reporting misconduct by members of another agency. If the ROE he was operating under mandate that he work only within his chain of command, then he had done all that he was required to do. But doing what you are required to do is still not being a "hero."

    There is a legal concept, and prescedent, regarding the greater public good that allows public servants to speak out on an issue that otherwise would be off-limits within their official capacity. Wish my CRS were not so active today so I could recall the specific name of the concept.

    IF the facts were as alleged, there was an egregious violation of civil rights which may have permitted Officer Costales to either go directly to the agency of the offending officers or directly to the press. Presuming that to be the case, he did neither.

    I'm pleased to see that in the end the original matter will be addressed by the courts. It seems that Officer Costales is going to have to deal with the emnity of his "fellow" officers for some time. I wonderif he can spell hostile work environment?

    stay safe.

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  10. Ragnar Danneskjold

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    I'm sorry but truth of this story and other stories completely aside, posting stories like this on THR is just like something the drive by media would do. Reporting 100% of the bad with none of the good. No wonder so many of you have such negative opinions of police: the only thing you ever look at is negative. The hundreds of thousands of police who do the right thing every day and every night just fly right by you, unnoticed.

    And BTW, this isn't gun related. IBTL
     
  11. F4GIB

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    taurusowner posted
    100%. Does that mean you consider Officer Sam Costales and his conduct to be "bad"?
     
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    Why don't you help fill us in on the "good" which wasn't reported. Tell us about the mighty side of the job those officers performed that day, about how great the side we didn't hear truly was. :rolleyes:
     
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    Coming from an LEO family as well as being a Union worker all I can say is this:

    Costales will be able to retire comfortably in a couple years between the lawsuit against the City and the Police Union.

    If I were him, I'd seek the treatment of a Psychiatrist/Psychologist as well as his personal physician who will advise him that he is too stressed to continue working and go out on medical leave, likely paid by the city.

    Then it's a matter of hiring the meanest, nastiest blood-thirsty lawyer in town to take his case. Many lawyers, when it comes to cops being wronged take those cases pro bono.

    Any Union who throws an brother under the bus, even if the claim against the member is a slam-dunk against him, will end up paying his wages and bennies for the rest of the life of his career.
     
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    This just proves a point: it is not just the individual "bad apple" officer that is the problem. It is each and every single other officer, administration, etc that refuses to expel that bad apple, who is equally evil.

    Misconduct by govn't officials is one of the most vile affronts upon the liberty of the citizens. And make no mistake about it, it affects every single last one of the 250+ million citizen's rights.
     
  15. Ragnar Danneskjold

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    Go talk to your local PD. See how many of them are criminals. And then see how many stories have been written about them for not being criminals. And then post a THE topic about them not being criminals.

    The 99.9% of cops that are good guys are boring, and thus ignored by nearly everyone, THR people included. You only pay attention to the fraction of a fraction of police that are corrupt, and let that image rule your entire judgement about cops in general.
     
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    Because that fits the mindset of many of the closet anarchists on here posing as Libertarians. Yes, there is real legitimate trouble involving our rights in this country but the only ones talking about it are the Moonbats with no credibility.
     
  17. F4GIB

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    My experience as a lawyer for almost 40 years is that the percentage is way, way below 99.5.

    How do you justify all those cops who daily observe brutality and illegality happening and look the other way? The incidents aren't isolated, they're habitual for the officers who act illegally and/or with brutality. But all* (except those real heros like Officer Costales) just look the other way, wink, and often participate in the coverup.

    No one made up the "blue wall of silence." The cops create it all by themselves, each day.


    *except also, of course, those who post on this Board.
     
  18. ilbob

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    It has occurred to me that maybe it is expecting a little too much for cops to police themselves. Human beings are what they are. It is very easy to let your buddy off the hook for what you might see as a minor infraction, especially if you might have to rely on him to cover your backside some day.

    We elect officials to public office every few years. one of their sacred duties is to protect us from government excesses. why is that we let them off the hook when it comes to LE misconduct? why aren't we out for blood from them?
     
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    So it would be OK with you then if Officer Jerkface slapped you wife around a bit and his partner, who is really a good cop, kind of looks the other way because he may have to rely on Officer Jerkface to cover his six some day.

    I've said it before, any public official be it cop or congress critter that looks the other way when a colleague commits a breach of public trust whether it’s a brutal cop on the take or a corrupt Senator, is just as dirty as the one who did the deed.
     
  20. Big Boomer

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    sniff-sniff I smell LEO bashing and a thread lock. Any LEO bashing is VERBODEN. :uhoh:
     
  21. Deacon Blues

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    LE is like any other profession in that there is always pressure to "look the other way." I have a reputation as a straight shooter at work; my boss has even tried to recruit me for his personal Gestapo a few times, "because I know you're doing your job right." The fact is, I still watch people break protocol (sometimes my boss :scrutiny:) and end up letting it slide for one reason or another. The difference between my situation and that of the police force is that the things I observe involve stepping around some incommodious corporate policy, whereas a cop may observe serious breeches of the law and human rights. I'm not arguing morality here; dishonestly is wrong in either case, but LEOs have to realize that the blue code of silence can result in serious harm to innocent people. An atmosphere of no accountability results in abuse, no matter how spotless the supposed character of those involved.

    No LEO bashing here. I appreciate what they do for society, but I also appreciate that they're prone to the same temptations as the rest of us.
     
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    I did not say it was OK. I do understand why it is so hard for cops to think much past the idea that the other guy in blue might be the one who saves his butt next week.

    I agree. So why is it that we allow our elected officials at all levels a complete pass on this problem?
     
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    I know of one incident where several brother cops went to their chief about one of their own being a little too eager to use force on folks. The chief called the guy in, told him to be a little more discrete in the future.

    The vast majority of cops are decent and honest. They have to deal with the scum of the earth 50 percent of the time, police management interested in their own career path and city politics 30 percent of the time and the rest of their time trying to deal with a good public who really doesn't have a clue about how the police work.

    Why don't they drop the dime on their own? Their own leadership may not do anything and this same guy may be the one backing you with a shotgun on the next call. Do your 40 hours a week, try not to screw up and get out (retire) as early as you can.
     
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    That seems like more of a "make sure you don't have any witness" directive rather than a verbal reprimand.

    Absolutely agree with this. My best friend is a LEO. Best guy I know. More loyal than my dog. Probaby has a wet nose too.:D I'd probably (certainly would be a better word) be right out there with him, but I was disqualified due to my hearing. Chief and highest upper management are there to limit the city's liability and kiss the mayor's/city manager's backside.
     
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    Sorry, but this isn't RKBA activism.
     
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