Cops confiscate firearms anticipating guy might go postal.

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TexasRifleman said:
It's also why people should be responsible for their OWN safety rather than depending on the dot gov to do it for them.

I could not agree more. Now if only there was more freedom with which to safeguard our safety.
 
I could not agree more. Now if only there was more freedom with which to safeguard our safety.
It should come as no surprise that it's those places where your personal safety is most at risk, where you're least likely to be "protected" by police, that the greatest effort is exerted to insure that you can't protect yourself.

"We don't have to protect you and we won't let you protect yourself."
 
I'm reminded of the old Soviet Union where dissidents where routinely put into mental hospitals as they had to be mentally ill to find fault in the workers' paradise.
What makes you think the person in the original news story is a dissident?
 
I guess the question is HOW did people know he made these purchases? Unlikely they witnessed the sale, so in all likelihood he told people he purchased them. Did he say something like "Sucks I lost my job, I think I will buy the gun I never really had the funds to get before... sort of like a consolation prize..."

OR

I am going to buy all the guns and ammo I can get my hands on.

Could matter. Who knows. I know though that when it comes to guns and the public opinion those tyrant sonsabitches can pretty much get away with whatever they want.
 
We had a disgruntled employee at Ohio State yesterday that walked in and killed a supervisor and wounded another before killing himself. He was going to be fired after a bad evaluation. Apprearantly he had made treats at past jobs before. Mental health is a wonderful thing, wish there was more of it. More people are getting closer to the edge as times get worse. I think the police did the prudent thing to get him checked out. If there was no problems, return his guns, no harm no foul. They may have saved some lives.
 
BS. If the police come and confiscate your guns in light of "no problems", there's plenty of harm and foul to go around. It's inexcusable and shouldn't be accepted.
 
If there was no problems, return his guns, no harm no foul. They may have saved some lives.

Even if he is completely exonerated the "harm" will follow him for years, if not the rest of his life. He will remembered as the "guy who went nuts." I'd give even odds he would have problems trying to purchase another firearm.
 
This is a tough call. Based on information they had they hauled him off and confiscated his guns. If they had done nothing despite the information they had and the guy went and murdered several people the cops would be getting crucified in a whole other discussion for not preventing it when they could have. Tough call. Tough job.
 
I guess the question is HOW did people know he made these purchases?

FFL's in Oregon have to report firearm purchases to the state. Info from NRA on state OR state law:

All dealers, pawnbrokers or otherwise must keep a record of
every handgun sold. This record shall contain the time, date and place
of the sale or trade, the name of the salesperson making the sale or
trade, the make, model and manufacturer's number on the handgun.
The purchaser must sign his name and affix his address to the register.
Thumbprints are taken. The purchaser must present clear evidence of
his identity.

A copy of the record must be mailed to the local police and state
police on the day of the sale for a record check.

A gun dealer shall request by telephone that the Dept. of State
Police conduct a criminal history record check on the purchaser. The
Dept. of State Police shall immediately or by return call determine
whether the purchaser is qualified to complete the purchase. The
fee for the criminal history record check may not exceed $10. The
handgun must be unloaded when delivered.

What I find most interesting is that if the guy were a threat, he already had the hardware available at home (HK .45 and shotgun) for plenty of mayhem had he chosen to act.
 
Occam's Razor said:

This is a tough call. Based on information they had they hauled him off and confiscated his guns. If they had done nothing despite the information they had and the guy went and murdered several people the cops would be getting crucified in a whole other discussion for not preventing it when they could have. Tough call. Tough job.

What's tough about it? He did nothing. The Founding Father said, and wrote... What did the man do?! Nothing at all.

EddieNFL said:

Even if he is completely exonerated the "harm" will follow him for years, if not the rest of his life. He will remembered as the "guy who went nuts." I'd give even odds he would have problems trying to purchase another firearm.

Let this poor fella try to get a CCW now! One question is, have you ever been involuntarily committed? Here is it, quoted from Michigan's application:

7. Have you ever been subject to an order of involuntary commitment in an inpatient or outpatient setting due to a mental illness?

Geno pours a tall glass o' Kool-Aide...anyone thirsty? Don't worry, we ain't gonna run out! Big Brother is fixin' to mix up another pitcher full, and another, and another. We're supposed to drink 8 glasses of Kool-Aide per day...it's for the children.

Geno
 
We had a disgruntled employee at Ohio State yesterday that walked in and killed a supervisor and wounded another before killing himself.

Yet the state of Ohio also has a mental hygiene statute that is (if I recall correctly) even more 'caring' than Oregon. Perhaps the benevolent state should request and require psychiatric evaluation of each subject when they get out of bed each morning with emergency eval's after stressful incidents.
 
Officers'Wife:

In Chile, where my wife was born and held captive under military rule, one has to get a psychological before s/he can study martial arts.

Geno pauses to listen to one of the voices in his head retoring to him, "Good thing we (the collective voices) weren't born in Chile. We'd never become a Taekwondo instructors". :D

Any of you all seen my cute little jacket with the long sleeves?! Oh, never mind...the guys in little white suits are knocking on my door. Sheesh. Must be my neighbors think I'm dangerous.

Geno
 
The Article said:
... They closed the street for about an hour and evacuated three homes to protect neighbors and prevent bystanders from gathering, he said.

'Remove/prevent witnesses' I think would be more accurate.

This guy should have been followed, not taken in custody like a scene from "Minority Report".

I wonder what the judge who signed the warrant accepted as probable cause and who supplied the oath or affirmation. There had to be something there; some crime that had been committed.

By the time a good team of lawyers gets through with this, they'll need to divide Oregon in half. One half will be renamed to what the lawyers wish to call their new state, and the other half belonging to the John Doe who was arrested will most likely be renamed "The State of John Doe".

Woody
 
I don't have enough information. What behavior were the police acting on?

If he did start shooting, the police would be castigated. Sometimes it is "Damned if you do; damned if you don't."

He was taken to Rogue Valley Medical Center for a mental-health evaluation.

I do not think this constitutes "commitment."
 
I do not think this constitutes "commitment."
It doesn't matter what you think.

What matters is relevant federal, state and local law. If there was no basis for what was done and the person's ability to purchase a firearm is materially impaired, he's suffered an actionable tort.

If that's the case, over and above any other damages, if his purchase is delayed because of this, the state should have to eat the cost of the firearm being purchase. And they should have to EVERY time it happens.
 
Quote:
Heckler & Koch .45-caliber universal self-loading handgun

Well, they almost got it right.

The HK USP is the Unversal Self-loading Pistol.


Ants that's what I thought as well, that it was unsual for them to even name it in the first place, and that they didn't quite get it right, but closer than usual.
 
Ants that's what I thought as well, that it was unsual for them to even name it in the first place, and that they didn't quite get it right, but closer than usual.
Media people are often spoon fed "facts" by anti-gun organizations, which they NEVER question.
 
Precrime

Here all this time I though Minority Report was just a work of fiction.
 
NinjaFeint said:
Wow, these are awesome arguments... Using a personal experience and then some general exaggeration to prove your point is weak. Neither of which applies to the article because we don't have all the information.

Of course it's silly.

As silly as some posting that this was a "good thing" without knowing all the facts.

Thanks for sort of making the point for me.

Of course, one fact we DO know is that he already owned guns so the fact that he bought another one shouldn't really matter at all should it?

But as you say, we're ignoring facts here.... especially the really important ones.

Police seized the recently purchased firearms, as well as another .45-caliber Heckler & Koch handgun and a 12-gauge shotgun. Police are holding the weapons for safekeeping, but no criminal charges have been filed.
 
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I thought you had to actually DO something wrong before you got arrested...

Not since the formation of FBI in the 1920's. The quip of the day from Will Rogers was that Al Capone would never be shot provided he didn't mingle with innocent bystanders. In those days the ROE was shoot them all and let God sort them out. Today it's arrest them all, they are all guilty of something anyway.
 
Here's the easy part. The LEOs, since 1986??, can "spy" in on you if they simply are "investigating a crime". It's happening all over the USA where law enforcement agencies are tracking people on their cellular phones, listening in on conversations, etc. All they had to do was get themselves the low-octane warrant and listen-in on the poor fella. If he set out to do harm then act. If he had done nothing wrong, then they would have done him less harm. Harm all the same, but less. I still disagree even with that practice.

You know, right now millions of Americans are losing their jobs. Is this how we will be disarmed? A few here, a few there? It isn't my problem, it happened out-of-state. It isn't my problem, it happened in the next county. It isn't my problem, it happened in the next town. It isn't my problem, it happened across town, ya know...other side of the tracks. It isn't my problem, it happened to my neighbor.

Get my point?! If it happened to an American, it is all of our problems!!!

Geno
 
I don't have enough information. What behavior were the police acting on

I got the following quote off the comments section of the article.

It is my understanding that this employees ODOT boss has "concerns" on several people he has dismissed in the past. Lars Larson spoke of it this morning. and...on top of that...the guy was home hours after being "arrested or detained or proactively held'.....

So this boss, just some dude, is paranoid that some employee he fires is gonna whack him. The boss calls the cops and the rest is on the 11 o'clock news.

That's crap.

And as far as an unemployed man spending money which, is a flag? That's crap, too.

I was between jobs years ago and just to treat myself, went out and bought a new shotgun. It was a treat and something I wanted.

So far that's all we know about the guy. Maybe he was feeling blue and decided to treat himself.

And who does the psych evaluation? Let me tell you something folks, I minored in psych for my first bachelors and was positively amazed at how unscientific and bogus that profession is. It's completely fluid and yesterday's mental illness is today's norm.

When they leave our 2nd amendment rights up to a bunch of quacks who couldn't handle real science, we're all in trouble.
 
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