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Cops Staged???

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by TarpleyG, Apr 25, 2005.

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  1. TarpleyG

    TarpleyG Member

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    Okay, I was checking out an older Cops episode last week and caught this little beauty on Tivo. It might be something like a PO LDA but I somehow doubt it. Is Cops staged???

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    Greg
     

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  2. ChillyW

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    The Para LDA's don't have spur hammers. And it's hard to tell for sure, but the rear sight doesn't look correct for Para, either.

    So; finger off the trigger, and hammer not cocked... hmm.
     
  3. Texian Pistolero

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    I've seen a few Cops episodes tht smelled like video-taped training episodes. Can't say for sure.
     
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    Some versions of the single stack 7.45 LDA came with spur hammers, stock (the pic looks like a stainless 7.45 LDA to me). Gunbroker probably has some for sale as we speak.

    Chris
     
  5. WayneConrad

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    His finger is in the right place, anyhow.

    My sweetheart is a Cops junkie. Now and then I hear her yelling "get your stupid finger off the trigger!" at the TV :). Always makes me laugh. She says that most cops on the show have good trigger discipline.
     
  6. Gunpacker

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    That looks like an episode I saw

    It seems real familiar to me. The episode I remember is where the detectives are arresting a "john". Yeah, right. They need a gun for that. I was a reserve police officer for 15 years and never saw weapons drawn for the stupid BS that is common in the police shows today. Seems like they stick a gun in everyone's face nowadays. I think the idea of keeping your finger off the trigger of your handgun came into vogue with the advent of those wonderful Glocks that go off with startling regularity. I was never taught that way except for shotgun obviously, but I never carried with anything but double action, revolver and semi. When I pulled a gun, I had my finger on the trigger, because it was very possible that I might use it instantaneously. Even with your finger on the trigger, a double action handgun is not going to go off accidentally. Guess I'm old fashioned, but I think that only double action firearms should be used by police. Especially since typical police officer is very unskilled in the use of firearms.
     
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    One of those other Fox shows like AMerica's Wackiest Police Videos or something (at least I'm pretty sure it wasn't COPS) got busted for showing some staged footage and trying to pass it off as unstaged.

    brad cook
     
  8. Tag

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    Every time I pull the trigger :D
     
  9. 444

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    No, COPS isn't staged. At least I know it isn't all staged, I can't vouch for all of it.
    I have been on COPS a couple times and run probably a half dozen or so calls where COPS was riding along and were there on the scene.
    Of course they present the material to be much more dramatic than it really was in person: sometimes.
     
  10. Zach S

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    Could be a Para, the beavertail looks more colt to me though.
     
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    I caught part of an episode yesterday and one cop had a holstered duty weapon that might have been a glock with a bright blue mag base.
    DUMMY TRAINING MAG??!!??
     
  12. OF

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    We had a shooter on the range the other day with a bright blue base on one of his Glock mags. Never seen that before, always thought it was just for training mags...guess not.

    - Gabe
     
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    I am not sure what the color code is for law enforcement gear.
    I know that I have seen the less lethal shotgun with orange furniture.
    When I was at Gunsite Advanced Carbine we put orange mag-puls on our magazines that were loaded with frangible ammo for use in the shoot houses. The insturctors could glace at our magazine and know we were not loaded with ball.
    So, maybe blue means something.
    Or, maybe the guy just liked blue magazine floor plates. Maybe he was like a lot of people on here and has a phobia about anything "tactical" and goes out of his way to avoid "tactical" black. Maybe it is a +2 extension ? Myabe you thought it was a Glock, but it was actually a taser ?
    Who knows ?
    What exactly is a training magazine and why should it be identified as a training magazine ?
     
  14. Zach S

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    Training magazines, also known as dummy mags or blue mags (not as common), are made out of plastic (blue, of course), dont hold any ammo, and are weighted to simulate a loaded magazine. Theyre for use in guns being used for weapons retention or disarming training, or any other training that would require an empty weapon. I've seen them in brownells and dillon, various other places as well.

    Of course, there are baseplates made in the same color, defeating the purpose, and other colors as well, of course. They're handy when you are looking for your magazines after a match, especially if your outdoors.
     
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    Older Para's sometimes had spur hammers and those crappy sights.
     
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    Older Para's sometimes had spur hammers and those crappy sights

    Like this which I can't seem to sell to fund more purchases :uhoh:
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    Edit: Dang, villiage phot is down with technical problems...
     
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    Whatcha asking for it?

    I'm not interested in buying, but I have a lot of experience with them so maybe I could help out.
     
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    I learn something new every day!

    Are they DA/SA guns? I thought they were DAO, and it seems silly to put a spur hammer on a gun that there's no point in cocking...

    - Chilly
     
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    At least one company made different color mag bases for glocks. You could use them to color code your magazines for training, different ammo, or just to tell your magazines form everybody else's during training.
    I've been a cop for quite a while and the keep your finger off the trigger was pretty standard clear back in the 70's when I started. Even when issued revolvers we were taught to keep the finger out of the trigger guard in the event that we fell or got into a fight the trigger wouldn't get pulled by reflex. My totally uninformed opinion on staging (I don't watch cops because I have to do that every day) is the hamsters will probably dramatize to look good for the camera and others will probably be more subdued in front of the camera. The three officers I personally know who have been on the show said they were not exactly overjoyed when told by their brass that they were going to be on the show.
     
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    Saw a show on the "making of COPS" some time ago. They said that in some cases they'll go back and try to re-create a few scenes using the original department's personnel and equipment if they think they need it to complete the story better, or if they missed something. Otherwise it's original.
     
  21. Kingcreek

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    Thanks folks. I learned something. apparently not all blue mags are fake mags?
     
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    Yes, even with the spur, they are DAO. I do not know why they put it on there other than it makes it look like a traditional 1911.
     
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    Hi there! Frequent lurker, infrequent poster...

    That episode was filmed in Portland, OR. It dealt with the Multnomah County ROCN (Regional Organized Crime and Narcotics) task force, comprised mainly of Deputies from MCSO and officers from Gresham and (IIRC?) Troutdale.

    I sorta knew the officer (not on a personal basis) who pointed the pistol in that scene. He was one of the GPD members. He's long retired, I believe.

    He carried a Colt Commander. The Colt .45 automatic enjoyed some popularity with GPD for a while. They were all carried cocked and locked. Sadly, this became verboten a few years ago; GPD now carries, what else, Glock 22's and 23's.

    The arrest was probably real enough, but the pistol thing was almost certainly done "for the cameras". Not too surprising, considering the guy in charge of the Squad, then-LT (and later Sheriff) John Bunnell, often derided by many local street patrol officers as "Hollywood" Bunnell....
     
  24. Zach S

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    On an LDA there is second-strike capability with a spur hammer. As long as the grip safety is depressed, you can re-cock the pistol for a second hit if the round fails to fire.

    Striker3, I almost got one just like yours not long ago. Someone beat me to it by a day. Sadly, I dont have the funds available to buy yours.
     
  25. The_Antibubba

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    Of course it's real!

    Are you kidding? The things some of those "alleged" perpetrators do? You couldn't write that stuff! No, truth is usually stupider than fiction.
     
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