Coroner rules Murray death a suicide

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  1. Cmdr. Gravez0r

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    I had a feeling that just like the rest of the cowards he was copying, when he was done he'd take himself out.

    Goin' out in a blaze of glory :barf: :banghead: :cuss: :mad:
     
  3. The-Fly

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    He just saved the tax payers the expensive of a huge trial. The good guy(err girl) did the hard work of actually stopping him.
     
  4. 10 Ring Tao

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    I rarely wear a tinfoil hat, but in this case, I'm going to say that the 'powers that be' told the coroner to report what he did, to avoid what they think would equate to the wild west.

    The last thing the brass wants to hear, is that citizens with guns is a good thing or resulted in a good thing.
     
  5. Wes Janson

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    Anyone else get the feeling like the media wants to play up the suicide angle in order to play down the importance of the security guard's actions?
     
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    I think Ray Charles can see that's what they're doing.

    BTW, what killed this idiot isn't relevant. It's what stopped him from continuing his murderous rampage. I think the security guards bullets did that, his ending himself was a result of that, I think.
     
  7. ClickClickD'oh

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    Yeah, it may have been the shotgun blast to the face that actually killed him, but given enough times the half dozen slugs in his chest would have done the same thing.

    Of course, what he died of is completely and totally irrelevant. She stopped the masacre in progress. The scumbag dieing is just bonus points.
     
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    230RN Educate, not indoctrinate .

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    It matters not. When he was engaged by fire, his rampage was ended.

    I think it may make Ms. Assam feel better, though, that she was not the final determinant of his end.
     
  9. TheUglyHare

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    While she may not get the credit she deserves, this sounds like good news for Ms. Assam. IMHO, a ruling of suicide would at least partially shield her from criminal prosecution and civil actions from the bad guy's family.

    Although she may have put a few holes in him, she now knows she is not responsible for a man's death, regardless of deservedness. I think that is huge.
     
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    Agreed.I'm not normally one for conspiracy theories and paranoia, but mu tinfoil hat is tingleing over this "suicide" info, as well as the reports of her being fired from the Mineapolis PD.Seems like a LOT of info being dug up REAL quick to downplay/discredit the whole "average citizen with a ccw" saves the day.....
     
  11. Zen21Tao

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    So what, he ended his own life before he could have bled out an the ground? It was still this lady's courage and swift actions that stopped this piece of excrement IN HIS TRACKS. She interceded, ended his killing spree, and put him in the position where death at his own hands was his only last option.
     
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    I think this could actually work out in our favor. Groups like the Brady Campaign are bound to use a "he killed, then committed suicide" spin to try to pass this off as one more gun tragedy. However, it will be very easy to call them on this. This is still a case of an average concealed carry holder saving lives in a shooting that wasn't in a "gun free zone." The result of their attempted spin will be even more credibility lost in the eyes of the general public.
     
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    Hit him several times and he still had to shoot himself?
    Security Guard lady must have been using 9mm...
     
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    Could go either way.

    On one hand, I can see the "powers that be" wanting to downplay the fact that a legal CCW stopped a genuine massacre in progress.

    On the other hand, the coroner may have used any and all evidence at his disposal to clear her of the actual cause of death.

    Either way, she stopped this nutbag before he could kill anyone else.
     
  15. Kentak

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    Take off you tin-foil hats, guys. If he shot himself in the head and that was the direct cause of death, it's a suicide, and that's the proper finding. Not only proper, but saves the security person a whole lot of legal hassle. Had the nut job expired from her shots instead, I have no doubt it would have been ruled an entirely justifiable homicide.

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    "Vengence is mine sayeth the lord", and last time I checked suicide was an unforgivable sin punishable by eternal damnation. Sounds like he got what he deserves even if he fell on his own gun.:evil:
     
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    Sounds to me like he took several bullets in the chest and fell over his shotgun triggering it on the way to the floor.
    Call it any way you want to, the lady did good and the goofball is where he deserves to be.
     
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    I find the inability to accept the suicide as real and to suggest a conspiracy to be paranoid.

    As noted, the result is good for Assam. She does not have to live with having killed another human. She stopped the attack, the perp is dead, and she didn't kill him.
     
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    Some early reports had him in armor , The fact that Ms Assam hit him several times in the arms , legs , and hand seems to indicate to me that he had armor . No matter that he fired the fatal shot to himself it does not change the fact SHE stopped him in his tracks before he could kill more .
     
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    shoot to stop!

    that's what she did.

    Tin foil hat or not....

    I think the BG wanted to die, rather than answer for his actions.....

    fool!

    he's answering for them right now, and will be for a loooooooooooooooong time.
     
  21. ZeSpectre

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    I have to agree with the others who say that the whole suicide thing (true or not) actually protects Ms. Assam.
    No possibility of a civil suit and other such stuff if the murder offed himself.

    It's also easier to mentally cope with (kinda like how firing squads always had one or two blanks so the soldiers could each have the mental reprieve that "maybe I had the blank".
     
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    In a perfect world, trying to shoot up a public place would always be ruled a suicide, because doing it would be a sure way to get yourself killed. :)
     
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    The important thing is not how he bought it, but that lives were saved.
     
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    Even if he hadn't killed himself, I can say with certainty that Jesus does not pardon unrepentant homicidal murderers. So the fact that he killed himself is irrelevant to his current location.
     
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    I find it very comforting to know that perhaps the last conscious thought that went thru dude's mind was how big a loser you had to be to charge into a building armed to the teeth with an AK and 1000 rnds of ammo intending to kill hundreds of people only to be shot down yourself just a few yards inside the door by a petite woman with a handgun. So much for that plan...
     
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