Costco is officially anti-gun, anti-CCW

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You need to get a supply of do not shop cards and leave them in those posted stores. Just ignorance on their part. Most likely NOT a policy as one poster noted OHIO stores are not posted.
 
Business are reactionaries to government, but in and of themselves, they have nothing to do with government.

Businesses are an extension of the ones who run said businesses. If it were true that they have nothing to do with government, then my political donations would have a lot more value. As it is, though, my measly donations next to gigantic corporate donations mean little.

Why do we still have an illegal immigration problem?
What was the Abramhoff scandal really all about?
Whitewater? Mariana Islands? Enron? etc...

The key concept in all of these issues is the significance of corporate money's influence on government policy. If enough of corporate america (i.e. The Government) decides gun ownership is bad, then bye bye 2nd Amendment.
 
Dravur

I was very specific. That was no anti-capitalism screed on my part. I said corporations need to consider more than the bottom-line. They especially need to consider whether they are contributing to the dissolution of the nation and certainly to whether they are breaking the law or taking advantage of lawlessness. I'll stand by that. †he corporations, as shortsighted as ever, don't care whether America is nothing but a Third World shopping mall in 25 years; hey, they'll go where the profits are. Or they think they will. I'm wagering the whole system is in for some well-deserved shocks. Please don't create straw men in order to lecture us on the obvious benefits of the free market. We all got that theory a long time ago; would that the realities matched the academic theories. The global free market is great for China and for those here who work, openly or covertly, for China.
 
When are you people going to realize that so many of these big-box store corporations are not your friends..they just want your money & as much as they can get you to spend there...don't live your live solely by the bargain-dollar sale...it's degrading...Walmart, Target, Costco, etc...:p..here comes the cattle being herded to save five bucks...MOOOOOOOOOOO!! The free-entereprise and capitalism must be based on some principles of integrity or we get what America's corporations have degenerated down to what we have today...at least the stores and manufacturing companies of America's distant past had some class and pride of their service and products...and some kind of civic responsibilty..for the most part..the thing today's business generation lacks is vision...remember the good ole' rock n roll generation who said they despised the greed and such in the previous generation and how they were going to change the world...and they threw out many or most of the previous morals saying they were outdated, then as they grew older they discovered money and started making as much as they could and without any morals to guide what they would or would not do to get more...you are seeing the decaying and downfall of any principles in business and government & society..they changed the world alright..into a flushing toilet where society goes further & further down into the sewer...
 
Costco does not believe that it is necessary for firearms to be brought into its warehouse stores, except in the case of authorized law enforcement officers.

It's not necessary to bring your car keys into the store either, so just leave them in the ignition switch of your car.:rolleyes:


Bringing a firearm into our warehouse does not enhance the shopping experience.

No one ever said that it did. ( What the heck is a "shopping experience" anyway...? ) But it just might save your life in the parking lot. ;)



Oh and BTW, a corporate charter is a special dispensation granted by the state, allowing a group of real individual persons to combine their capital and operate a business with limited liability to the stockholders. This dispensation allows the corporation to act as a "fictitious" person, including the right to sue and be sued on its own behalf apart from its stockholders. So it is ridiculous to say that a corporation owes nothing back to the society which granted its existence in the first place. Otherwise, we would be a nation of sole proprietorships and partnerships.
 
Thanks for the heads up...

BTW, if you haven't already, you may want to join and submit this to the new anticcw.com website! :cool:
 
I visited my local Costco yesterday (up here in the Great Wet North we don't have many alternatives-I only know of one Sam's Club, and it's 50 miles from here.)

I looked all over, and didn't see any "No firearms" signs.
 
I went to a Costco in Seattle yesterday and saw no sign despite looking for one. In any event, concealed means concealed as long as it's legal.
 
No guns=Protection?

Costco does not believe that it is necessary for firearms to be brought into its warehouse stores, except in the case of authorized law enforcement officers. For the protection of all our members and employees, we feel this is a reasonable and prudent precaution to ensure a pleasant shopping experience and safe workplace. Our policy is meant to protect our members and employees in all warehouses around the world.


No guns allowed, how it that protection? Someone goes off the deep end fighting over some garment and we need to wait for the police?

Funny thing is, now that I've embraced CCW, I'm feeling more secure knowing roughly 4 in 100 of those Costco customers are CCW holders in my area. :D I think this is a mistake, but condoning would offer some huge legal ramifications I'm sure.

jeepmor
 
While I don't really have an opinion on this, I believe you cannot carry a CCW into private businesses here in Utah if they have posted a restriction, and it could jeoprodize your permit status.

That being said at the same time - I know LOTS of folks with guns and CCW permits, all legal, that I would not want having guns. My CCW class alone had a dozen or so low-IQ redneck, well... idiots in it.

Just because someone gets a concealed firearms permit does NOT make them smart and/or responsible. I know plenty of slack-jawed southern utah back-country morons who have CCW permits and parade their guns around like it's going out of style.

So again, I am not commenting that Costco is right or wrong... but there's definitley some people I think are too unintelligent and irresponsible, but still have CCW's and have more guns than some small countries.

If your vehicle has a "Calvin" urinating on something, or any sexual innuendo or pun about "ram" "cummins" or "stroke", you should have all firearm privledges, and oxygen privledges, revoked. :)
 
Sean Dempsey said:
I believe you cannot carry a CCW into private businesses here in Utah if they have posted a restriction, and it could jeoprodize your permit status. ... My CCW class alone had a dozen or so low-IQ redneck, well... idiots in it.

You might want to know the law a little better before throwing stones.

What about private businesses? Can they post signs prohibiting someone from carrying a gun into their business, even though the person has a concealed firearms permit?
Naturally, private property owners may apply whatever restrictions they want. Whether or not these restrictions violate one's constitutional rights is for the civil courts to decide. But the only statutory restrictions on a permit holder are secured areas such as airports and federal buildings.
Source

There are addtional laws regarding churchs and private residences who give notice, but nothing about businesses.
 
No signs at the 3 I have been to in Texas, either the standard "No Guns" sign or the Texas specific sign.

So, not sure what to think.

It's possible your email was answered by someone giving not the corporate policy, but their own opinion via the company email. You only emailed "memberservices". That email address is probably dealt with by several employees.

I know at my company "[email protected]" gets to the in boxes of close to 50 people.

I'd escalate if you're really interested in finding the corporate stance.

It's pretty easy for some low level PR schmuck to send a reply like you got.

I'd think if the company was really strong opinioned they would have signs consistently.

Don't blame Costco yet for the actions of (possibly) just one employee.

More info is needed. Send an email to someone higher in the food chain along with the response you received.
 
the really ironic thing, if you look at this from a purely logical or prudential perspective, is that posting a "no firearms" is illogical ... it doesn't make sense when you consider the expectations and outcomes.

if Costco posts a sign: it immediately becomes an issue and they lose some customers.

if Costco doesn't post a sign: nobody knows the difference, its not an issue, and they don't lose (or gain) any customers.

kw

p.s. and until somebody can provide real evidence that insurance companies require the signs, and explain why 99.5% of businesses disregard the purported insurance requirement and don't post a sign, i don't think the insurance argument should be considered.
 
TexasSIGman said:
More info is needed. Send an email to someone higher in the food chain along with the response you received.
I just sent a letter to the gentleman who made the statement and to my local Costco requesting a FULL refund of my annual membership fee ...
Mr. Peter Wong
Assistant Warehouse Manager #783
COSTCO WHOLESALE
12011 Technology Drive
Eden Prairie, MN. 55344


Dear Mr. Wong:


I read with great interest the recent letter that you sent to Mr. Krafft dated October 15, 2006 explaining your Firearms Ban policy (see photocopy of said letter enclosed).

I completely AGREE with you that as private establishment, you certainly have the right to institute such a gun restriction. However, as a LICENSED gun owner, I also have to right to decide where and how I spend my money.

If I have a choice between a place that allows me to carry my firearm and a place that forbids me from carrying my firearm, I will ALWAYS pick the place that welcomes me WITH my firearm.

Therefore, effective immediately, I will no longer be shopping at my local Costco where I have been a member since 1993. Nor, will I be renewing my membership when it expires. I will be sending a photocopy of this correspondence to my local Costco so that they will understand why they are losing my business after all of these year. And, as promised in your letter, asking them for a refund of annual membership fee IN FULL.

Thank you for informing us of your company's policy regarding firearms. I will do my best to pass this information along to as many people as I can.
... should be interesting to see what kind of reply I receive.
 
there is nothing that makes a cop more justified in totting around a gun than me, especially out of uniform. all these policies that end up in "except for cops" are pathetic.

but, a lot of the guys around here actually deholster when their shift ends and go around picking their kids from activities while still in uniform.. without the gun... it's insane...
 
I'm inclined to doubt that it is really "corporate policy" and not just some schmuck talking out of their 4th point of contact.

The number of THR members whose local stores (like mine) do not carry any such signs, while anecdotal and thus not evidence, strongly suggests it's nothing even approaching a "corporate policy". If it were, there'd be a whole lot of stores in violation and no one can really believe corporate doesn't send QC inspectors and regional manager types around to check such things.
 
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If one wants to check this out from the top (no postings in MA or NH that I've ever seen) . . .

James D. Sinegal
President and Chief Executive Officer
from: http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=83830&p=irol-govManage

Although I couldn't find his Email address, extrapolating from others, it is likely to be [email protected]

Address:
Corporate Office
999 Lake Drive
Issaquah, WA 98027

I also wonder if this isn't local/regional policy somewhere.
 
In South Carolina,,,,,,,,

In South Carolina a business may post a sign and you must obey the warning (it's only a misdemeanor, not a big deal, but you will lose your permit for 5 years if convicted :what: ). However, the sign has to be in the exact dimensions and colors as stated in the CWP regs and it has to be posted at each entrance to the building or property and at a certain height. For example, the local mall has signs posted all over it. The Sears entrance to the mall is not posted, so it is perfectly legal to carry in the mall; and hey, who doesn't go to Sears first anyway? Even outdoor events like a swap meet can post a sign. There is one near here that has an incorrect sign at all entrances, once again it's legal to carry there. Since the law does stipulate all entrances, not just public ones, one might stretch it a little, and could, for instance, walk around and see if delivery bays or employee entrances are posted too.

SECTION 23‑31‑235. Sign requirements.



(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of this article, any requirement of or allowance for the posting of signs prohibiting the carrying of a concealable weapon upon any premises shall only be satisfied by a sign expressing the prohibition in both written language interdict and universal sign language.



(B) All signs must be posted at each entrance into a building where a concealable weapon permit holder is prohibited from carrying a concealable weapon and must be:

(1) clearly visible from outside the building;

(2) eight inches wide by twelve inches tall in size;

(3) contain the words “NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED” in black one‑inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;

(4) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle seven inches in diameter with a diagonal line that runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty‑five degree angle from the horizontal;

(5) a diameter of a circle; and

(6) placed not less than forty inches and not more than sixty inches from the bottom of the building’s entrance door.



(C) If the premises where concealable weapons are prohibited does not have doors, then the signs contained in subsection (A) must be:

(1) thirty‑six inches wide by forty‑eight inches tall in size;

(2) contain the words “NO CONCEALABLE WEAPONS ALLOWED” in black three‑ inch tall uppercase type at the bottom of the sign and centered between the lateral edges of the sign;

(3) contain a black silhouette of a handgun inside a circle thirty‑four inches in diameter with a diagonal line that is two inches wide and runs from the lower left to the upper right at a forty‑five degree angle from the horizontal and must be a diameter of a circle whose circumference is two inches wide;

(4) placed not less than forty inches and not more than ninety‑six inches above the ground;

(5) posted in sufficient quantities to be clearly visible from any point of entry
onto the premises.

That's directly from the regulation.

Look for those kind of loop holes that those ignorant :cuss: knuckleheads don't know about, and you'll be amazed at how many places are now legal to carry in.

Best to all. And while this is my first post here, I think, I've been reading here (lurking) quite a while. Great place, great people!
The Skwerl
 
The Sears Mall here has the same loophole, the entrances to Sears aren't posted and the entrance from Sears to the Mall proper isn't either.

Go Sears!
 
The woman in Arizona who sued God for 100K after she was struck by lightning comes immediately to mind...
I have to ask: in what jurisdiction did she file, and how did she serve the defendant?

I don't remember the jurisdiction, but I do recall that, after a "careful and diligent search" the case was dismissed because "The court can not find evidence of God in this jurisdiction."
 
I had to go tomy local costco friday and made it a point to look for signs which i did not find.maybe because it is in KENNESAW Ga. Where it's the law to have a gun
 
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